I Get Ger 2.0/Shalom 70/Kabbalah of Adam Exposed

1. Introduction

I must say from the onset that I never thought I would have to put together this kind of material when I launched Noahide Nations 15 years ago.  It just never occurred to me that there would be a group of non-Jews, many that I know personally, that would attack my wife and I, Noahide Nations and the rabbinic Jewish community.  How can the work that has been done by so many to spread the Torah to the non-Jewish world be so brutalized by people who claim to be righteous.  For 15 years all that we have tried to do is bring Torah learning opportunities for non-Jews, unity between Noahides and the Jewish community, help others in need of help and to live by HaShem's Torah and make ourselves better people.  This has been demonstrated through our work and that of a great many others.  We will continue to do HaShem's work despite what this group has done to us.  But, in parsha Pinchas we learn that sometimes one needs to take an aggressive approach to make things right.  It is with sadness that I have had to take this posture in this case but there was simply no other solution. 

For the record, when we mention "Ger" in this material we do not, in any way, mean the non-Jews who have put in significant time, effort and finances to convert to Judaism.  We are specifically referring to Mike Mattlage and Russell Kirk's Ger Gang.

This section is a compilation of Torah violations committed by the leaders of I Get Ger/I Get Ger 2.0/Shalom 70 over the past several years against the Noahide and Jewish communities.  It is for the purpose of reclaiming my name and that of my family, my reputation as well as that of Noahide Nations and the many other people who have worked with Noahide Nations.  You will find many names of individual Rabbi's, Noahides, Jews and institutions that have been attacked due to their association with Noahide Nations.  This will show you why it is so important to find teachers of good character who actually know the Noahide Laws.  I hold the leaders/teachers Mike Mattlage, Russell Kirk and their teachers Joel Bakst (Baks), David Katz and Chaim Clorfene completely responsible for the teachings that have produced these kinds of actions on the part of their students.  There are many members in their group who also chimed in with their 2 cents or simply sat back and watched Mike and Russell destroy the names and reputations of good people.  None of these members ever contacted Noahide Nations to notify us of what this group was doing to people.  

I am sorry that I have been forced into this but the recent video of Mike trying to do teshuvah was more than I could handle.  They sent this out in the form of a blanket email and/or Instant Message of Facebook.  This video does not even resemble teshuvah let alone be called teshuvah.  Here is the IM that I received from Mike Mattlage that is supposed to be teshuvah.

"We extended our sincere apologies and truly desire peace . Please let’s join for the good together for the sake of heaven" 

I'm not sure if this is my special teshuvah message or part of a blanket coverage IM.  I doesn't matter because this is NOT teshuvah.

After I received this IM and saw Mike Mattlage's apology/peace video I contacted his current teacher Joel Bakst (Baks) and discussed this with him.  Afterwards, I sent him an email outlining the teshuvah that needed to be done or I would release all this information.  I gave them a full week as a deadline to get this taken care of but when you see Mike's and or Russell's teshuvah attempt you will understand why this information had to be released.  I guess they didn't know how serious I was.  It has now been over 2 weeks so now you can learn who these people truly are.  

If you see everything in this book but still want Mike Mattlage, Russell Kirk. Joel Bakst (Baks), David Katz and/or Chaim Clorfene as your Torah teacher's then by all means go and learn their brand of Torah.  Noahide Nations does not teach the Torah that these men have been teaching the past few years and never will.

Some of this information may not be suitable for your children.

If you have questions, after having viewed the information please contact me at ray@noahidenations.com.                              

2. Ger Leader Mike Mattlage Slanders Ray Pettersen and Noahide Nations

This is one of the most vile and vulgar performances of loshon Hara, slander and liable that I have ever witnessed. This is a complete violation of Hashem's Torah whether you are a Jew or a non-Jew.  This was done publicly and spread all over the Internet, especially Facebook.

After viewing the video please return and read a response from a third party who was actually there at the time that all of this occurred.  I will include my responses in blue.

Comments on the Mike Mattlage slander video:

First, I haven't received an apology so I don't know what they mean by doing Teshuvah. If he wants to apologize to me he can send me an email @

Second, Teshuvah means specificity, what specifically are they asking forgiveness for?

Third, what steps are they going to take to make sure they never repeat these actions again?

Fourth, do they admit that they were actually wrong, or are they merely trying to placate others so they can further their own agendas? 

Fifth, even if there is true Teshuvah here, Matlidge makes the mistaken assertion that we should or must work together. 

A minor correction on the name Matlidge mentions in the video, his name is Avraham Bloomenstiel, not Avraham Bloomenstien. 

Ray sent two videos. I assume the second video he sent, which is an attack video was sent to show some of the things Mike Matlidge specifically might need to do Teshuvah for. I would like to know if he is apologizing for this video and the many other nasty attack videos he made and sent out (and deleted) over the years. 

Regarding history Matlidge represents here, I don't think Matlidge spoke at a VJRI conference until after his death. The first time I remember meeting him was at VJ's 2008 conference. He was there with George Brock's group from Waco and he was in attendance but not teaching. As far as conferences after Vendyl's passing I don't know. I know he was learning with a person whom Noahides had been warned against studying. The warning was made regarding both the material he was teaching and the controversy of his personal life. Matlidge broke off his relationship, I believe, with this person for a time but went back and started learning with him. Eventually, he began learning with David Katz who was another controversial character. 

I never saw Mike teach at any conferences when Vendy was alive either.  Vendyl would never have allowed the ger teachings.  He would have been totally against it.  

I'm not familiar with Russell's involvement with the founding of Noahide Nations (or NN), however, I was definitely involved. It started with an idea on a napkin Ray presented to Rabbi Bar-Ron at a meeting where those in attendance were invited to join what would later be called the High Council of B'nai Noah. Ray didn't join the group as he felt it was more important to create Noahide Nations.

Russell Kirk never had anything to do with Noahide Nations.  Russell contacted me as a result of finding the Noahide Nations web site on the Internet.  A few people in their I Get Ger 2.0/Shalom 70 group were their at the beginning with financial support but also had nothing to do with the creating of Noahide Nations.  Sadly, they have sat back and watched Mike and Russell's continued attacks against me and Noahide Nations and chose to do nothing to defend me and/or Noahide Nations.

At the beginning of the NN project Ray Pettersen, Andy Overal, Jacob Scharff, and I (then) Adam Penrod, would have weekly meetings about creating the website. We even came up with a name for ourselves, the "Core Four." Eventually, Ray took sole control of the development of the project but asked me to help him organize some articles and help him contact a few people (This was in 2004 - 2006 which is when the site launched I believe). He also asked me for advice on matters here and there. Perhaps Russell was involved in the project but I don't remember Ray ever mentioning him until I moved to Kileen, TX in 2007(8). I met Russell for the first time and we became friends and eventually, he took me to meet George Brock (I previously met George at a VJRI conference but didn't know much about his group in Waco). I attended George's Saturday morning meeting and suggested they broadcast the meeting on Shabbat for those who couldn't attend. They did this and it was a success. I don't remember seeing Matlidge there although I think he lived in Waco. At this time, Russell wasn't actively involved with Noahide Nations or even George's Group (as I recall), although I think he might have been friends or acquaintances with Ray. 

George Brock has been providing the online and live Noahide gathering for 12 years or more in the Noahide Nations Academy of Shem.  I wish more people would come and join the gathering.  Join us HERE

The Noahide Nations Project at no time ever tried to control information. In fact, when Ray and I discussed it, we referred to it as a melting pot of Torah knowledge. The point was not to insist on one viewpoint of Torah learning but to offer up as many viewpoints as possible for others to draw their own conclusions. The problem NN and other B'nei Noah projects faces was a lack of serious and reliable Rabbis.

Matlidge grossly and I would say maliciously misrepresents the NN project in his video. Proof of my claim is the relationship with Rabbis that Ray was unable to form because they wanted to control NN. They wanted their version of the Torah to be the only voice. Ray was against this and always fought to keep NN independent. Eventually, Ray's fierce independence for NN was something I felt dissatisfied with, but to Ray's credit, he has always been consistent in his stand.

The only Torah that Noahide Nations has allowed to be taught was Orthodox.  I have made a few poor choices along the way and I regret making them.  And, there were virtually no Rabbis in the Orthodox community who wanted to teach non-Jews.  Many, to this very day, refuse to teach non-Jews.  I'm sure their reasons for this are many.  In fact one of the reasons could be the overall disrespect shown them by these, so called 'ger'.  Why would anyone want to be involved with people who have no problem slandering you when you don't agree with them.  Certainly, I don't associate with them.

The characterization of NN being a money only or money-focused organization is unfair and completely wrong. The point of selling materials was to recoup costs Ray spent out of pocket for products and services for those in the B'nei Noach community. As far as I know, he never made any money with NN but lost money. When I worked for NN back in 2012-2013 my paycheck wasn't a result of money NN was making but Ray paying me based on a deal Ray made with an investor at the time. I was paid for my work on NN and the work I did for the business, although eventually, I became an exclusive employee of NN. I feel Matlidge's characterization regarding money and NN was malicious. These words were false and harmful to Ray's and NN's personal reputation and brand.

What is amazing about this is that Mike has made the "only for the money" statements repeatedly over the years but has no problem with his teachers generating funds for expenses and maybe a meal or two.  But Noahide Nations is not allowed to do this without being brutally attack by Mike, Russell and the members of their I Get Ger/Shalom 70 group.  More on this later in the Ger Hypocrisy section of this book.

If memory serves, originally there was an organization called the Central Texas Noahide Group (or something) Ray founded with those in Central Texas, but eventually, he started NN (or turned this organization into NN) as a separate project. 

This is accurate and neither Mike nor Russell were ever involved with its creation.

Matlidge spends some time in the attack video going into David Katz and how he (Matlidge) first had the ideas Katz would later offer regarding ger and therefore the concept was nothing new and therefore (presumably) legitimate since someone else thought of the idea. Such a path to legitimacy should be suggested to flat earthers in their quest to legitimize their claims as Matlidge thinks having an idea makes it credible.

This is simply Mike's getting away from him.  Meaningless dribble.

I can't speak to whether Matlidge ingeniously "discovered" ger before people became aware of ger, but I have already written a lengthy commentary on my interactions with Katz which I put on the NN discussion forum at some point. I can provide that background if it is necessary later. 

Matlidge also inserts his credentials as being a part of the living transmission of Kabbalah by learning from his teacher (the controversial one mentioned earlier). This isn't correct, it is impossible for Matlidge to be part of the living transmission because he isn't Jewish. If he wants to be part of the living tradition of the teachings of Judaism he should convert. Matlidge's comment here reveals part of the reason the "Ger" group has been so controversial. In effect, his claim is non-Jews can be as much a part of the transmission of Torah tradition as Jews. This isn't true.

See above...

After making his claim about the transmission of the Torah, Matlidge returns once again to his complaint that Noahide Nations charged him for learning Torah. As I understood it the charge was so Ray could pay Katz who wanted to be paid for his efforts. What's the problem? I have lots of criticisms for Katz but I never criticized his need to be paid for his work (although I questioned whether he should be paid for the quality of his work which was terrible). 

This is further shown with text and images in the Ger Hypocrisy section.  But, one thing for sure is that David Katz demanded $500 a month from me to teach.

This video is an attack video where Matlidge accuses Ray of "prostituting the Torah." Is the apology video apologizing for this attack video and others like it Matlidge made? 

Mike Mattlage admits that he asked that question as if he was some kind of hero or something.  He did this during my lecture and in front of an auditorium full of people.  Mike has no problem tearing people down and should probably have a glance at Ethics of the Fathers (Pirkei Avos).  Clearly, he never learned any manners.  Again, more of this kind of nonsense can be found in the Hypocrisy section.

Next, Matlidge claims Avraham Bloomenstiel was brought on to Noahide Nations to destroy Katz. When Ray first told me Katz would be writing articles for NN I was annoyed. I don't know if I ever told him this before, but it really irritated me for one reason. Here was one more Rabbi from who knows where who had something to sell to Noahides. He was selling his version of "the way things are for non-Jews." He had zero credibility, no one knew who he was and he had gone through no vetting process (another such video is the Matlidge's personal teacher he mentioned earlier in the video). 

This statement is correct and once I found out that he refused to share substantive sources for his articles his articles didn't published on the site and others removed.  I do not blame this person for being upset with me and well they should have.  I am embarrassed to say that I gave David Katz his opening into the Noahide movement.  I am still paying for that to this very day.

Over the twenty years of being involved with B'nai Noah, the one consistent thing I saw over and over again was anonymous Rabbis who had no credibility, were unvetted, but with a new vision of the seven laws walk off the street to claim their all-important role as the teacher of all Noahides. The result of almost every one of these people was they came in and created a huge mess, made some money, and then left like a puff of wind. Noahides needed to stop consulting with nobodies and needed to start looking for Rabbis with some kind of credibility in the Jewish world. David Katz had zero credibility in the Jewish World and here he was selling his insights into the seven laws. At first, he called this the Academy of Shem, but grew dissatisfied with this term or concept and eventually rebranded it to "ger" after he left NN. Did he cause a big mess? Yes. The only difference between him and other Rabbis is he's still around and still making messes. 

When Ray brought me into the office to tell me Katz quit NN my first reaction was, "Thank God," because I knew this guy was going to cause problems; which he has. Ray was mad at me at the time for having this attitude but after Katz's round of bridge-burning, I think he understood my insight better.

Sometimes I can be a bit thick, but, Hashem is working with me regularly.

I introduced Ray and Avraham Bloomenstiel to one another because Bloomenstiel had the credibility Katz and others lacked. He had credibility in the Jewish community and his learning was far deeper than Katz. Katz had smichah and was a Rabbi but his smichah counted as a basic degree, like a Bachelor's degree. Bloomestiel, on the other hand, had a Ph.D. for his smichah. He was trained as a posek, formerly served as the Rabbi of a synagogue, and worked as a sofer. He was also well known in the Jewish community he was a part of. Comparing credentials and credibility Bloomstiel had these in spades whereas Katz and others did not. That's why I introduced him and hoped Ray would add Bloomenstiel as a teacher or something.

The only thing I can add is that when Rabbi Bloomenstiel was closing his Judaica store I purchased a ton of his books.

Eventually, it was decided he would teach a class on the seven laws of Noah. In part, these classes were meant to inform b'nei Noah regarding actual halachah so they would have the tools to distinguish between real halachah and nonsense. If Bloomenstiel was brought on expressly to destroy Katz then why was the class about halachah and not Katz? 

This is all true.  I would add that the way this all came about was that the Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshiva Pirchei Shoshanim contacted me and it turned out that Rabbi Bloomenstiel was a teacher for the yeshiva.  The Rosh Yeshiva (Rabbi Fichel Todd) wanted to discuss the creation of a Noahide Laws course.  I agreed to meet and he flew out to Dallas from New Jersey and he, Rabbi Bloomenstiel and I met in my office.  The yeshiva wanted to create a course for Rabbis to take in order to learn the Noahide Laws and assist all the non-Jews who were showing up to convert but had never heard of the Noahide, let alone the Noahide Laws.  It was decided that the course would be developed in such a way that the Rabbis and Noahides would be able studying side by side.  

I asked them why they chose Noahide Nations for this venture.  I was told that they had investigated a number of different Noahide groups and organizations and determined that we were an organization that could be trusted and that we were the organization that had demonstrated that we would be around for the long haul.  Needless to say, but, I was very gratified to hear this from them.  And, so began the research by a team of poskim to develop the course.

I reviewed a lot of the material Bloomestiel wrote and I don't remember reading anything about David Katz in the material. I do remember a discussion on the technical usage of the term "ger," and that was done because the term was misappropriated to name this new thing Katz and his followers were trying to figure out.

As the founder of Noahide Nations I was able to sit in on a number of classes that went through the entire program.  I actually graduated with Class 1, but, during this entire time I never once heard Rabbi Bloomenstiel use David Katz's name. 

I say figure out because Katz wasn't clear in what he was trying to say about non-Jews and the Torah while at NN. It was clearly a developing idea while at Noahide Nations but at some point after he settled on a name for his new concept. The release of Katz's book "World of the Ger" left many people confused and they had a lot of questions. Rabbi Bloomenstiel was asked these questions and he did his best to answer them as clearly as possible. This was not him attacking Katz but him responding to legitimate questions. 

All true.

This attack on NN and Rabbi Bloomestiel in the second video (which almost sounds antisemitic) is perhaps one of the things Matlidge wishes to apologize for?

This is the video Mike was in condemning a group of highly respected Rabbis that Mike Mattlage refers to as the "Crazy Eight" and calls Avraham Sutton "Satan" rather than his actual name.  Truly disgusting.

Matlidge contrasts the "money-grubbing" Jew Bloomenstiel and Pettersen with his own selfless act of making Torah free to everyone. That's really big of him being so selfless, giving something away for free that no one would pay for. Perhaps he's apologizing for the nonsense he's been "teaching" over the years? 

More on this in a later section.

After this, Matlidge announces Ray's attempt at becoming the leader of all Noahides when he went to Israel to create his own Noahide Sanhedrin. Frankly, I don't remember this at all. The closest Ray came to a Sanhedrin that I can recall was the Noahide High Council formed by the Nascent Sanhedrin which he resolutely rejected being a part of. I'm not sure what he is talking about it could be the matter he's referring to happened during the time I was disconnected from b'nei Noah, but as he mischaracterized other matters, I'm hard-pressed to take him seriously on this point.

This is just further evidence that Mike Mattlage cannot be trusted on very much that he says.  The fact is that neither my wife or I have ever been to Israel either as a couple or individually.  Hashem has never blessed us with that opportunity.  And, yes, I resigned from this council for reasons that I will not get into here.  

Next, Matlidge claims his fight against NN and Bloomenstiel is the fight against good and evil, but it's not a churchy fight. Is this one of the comments he's apologizing for? 

Of course Mike believes he is the good and that we are evil.  The reality happens to be the exact opposite but I will leave that for you to decide.

He claims he is protecting the Rabbi or Rabbis (I'm not sure) but he does clarify that the Rabbis he will stand with are Katz, Clorefene, and presumably the ones who agree with him. I say this because I remember him attacking Rabbis and Jews and B'nei Noah in videos he put out. His attacks were so vicious that at one point Bloomenstiel had to call the police on him because of verbal threats he made on a Ger Gravy video where he said people should hunt down Bloomenstiel, Ray, myself, and others. Is he apologizing for this in the apology video?

Rabbi Bloomenstiel was actually called by one of the members of the I Get Ger group and had his life and that of his family threatened.  I have spoken to the person who did this because he sought to do teshuvah with Rabbi Bloomenstiel.  The enormity of the attacks by this group is more vast than can be articulated here.  However, I will say that David Katz actually accused Rabbi Bloomenstiel, publicly, of not even being a Jew and then went on to accuse Rabbis Bloomenstiel's parents and grandparents of the same thing.  Just imagine what he would do to you if you didn't agree with his teachings?   

Matlidge claims he and his group were in this since Vendyl Jones. I guess he's claiming they were a part of it while Vendyl was alive. I do remember some people in the Katz group associating to certain degrees with Vendyl but I don't remember Matlidge and I used to teach at VJRI and worked at their offices in Israel and later in Grand Prairie, TX. Maybe he's apologizing for his faulty memory? 

He claims once more the ger are the protectors of the Jews, but he means the Jews who agree with them. Being one of the Jew's who was attacked by him, I can attest he certainly never tried to protect me. I think Russell Kirk tried to keep me out of this fight for a while but unfortunately, we eventually went our separate ways.

I was very incensed by Matlidges's next attack on Ray regarding an investor who supported NN. I know exactly who he is referring to. I worked for Ray and this person. 

The investor was a homosexual Matlidge ranted, so what. I had many conversations with him and he seemed like he was trying to honestly find his way in life. He claimed to believe in God and I saw him do a lot of good things for different people. I was shocked when I learned what he did and what he did had nothing to do with being a homosexual. Homosexuals also want a relationship with God, and even though they may sin in one part of their life (like all of us) it doesn't mean God wants nothing to do with them. They are still people, created in the image of God.

The investor was a businessman, so what. Did he swindle a lot of people of their money? Yes, including Ray! This person is now in jail because Ray reported him and went after him legally (like a Noahide should). From Mike's comments, it sounds like he is claiming Ray along with the investor both were trying to swindle people!  This attack was hitting below the belt, lowdown and dirty, and plain false. Is he apologizing for this in his apology video? 

It's true that my wife and I had all of our retirement savings stolen, $180,000.  We now live on Social Security with no savings.  Our lives changed forever on that day.  And, yes, I worked with the FBI for over two years to get this guy convicted and imprisoned.  He was sentenced to 11 years and must serve a minimum of 80% inside.  Unfortunately, my wife and I have been sentenced to the remainder of our lives living on less than poverty level income.  What is sadder still is that there are members of their I Get Ger/Shalom70 group that knew exactly what went on but chose to allow Mike Mattlage to ravage my name and reputation.  I am very disappointed in them for allowing it to get to that point. 

The attack video was filled with things Mike Matlidge and perhaps others need to apologize for. Is the apology video he sent an apology for these things? 

I have no problem with the idea of forgiving a person who sinned against me, but I have no reason to then work with them. 

There is also no requirement that I and/or Noahide Nations have to work with them.  They will just say I am now anti-redemption for not joining their Facebook group..

I was in yeshiva and we were discussing the notion of teshuvah. One of the guys in the class asked the rabbi about pedophiles. There are pedophiles who to do Teshuvah, the Torah says we should forgive a person if they do Teshuvah. So he asked the Rabbi, must I forgive a pedophile? 

The Rabbi said, "You must assume his Teshuvah is genuine, but that doesn't mean you have to trust him. Don't let your kids near him!"

In conclusion, if this is a legitimate apology and Matlidge is attempting to do Teshuvah then I am willing to forgive him if he ever apologizes to me for the things he did to me, but I don't think I would ever be willing to work with him on a project. I think he's burned his bridges and should just do his own thing.

I would only add that what Mike calls teshuvah is not teshuvah at all.  Anyone who uses the words "IF I have done anything..." is not taking responsibility for what they have done let alone confess what he did.  And, to send it to the huge list that he said he did speaks volumes of the number of people he has harmed along the way.  He does, however, provide an excellent teaching opportunity on what teshuvah is and what it is not.

I would also like to add that whenever someone talks to be about ger people, it's never anything good. It's always some ger person attacking someone else or making some unreasonable claim. 

I think the clearest sign for the people who are calling themselves "ger" should start demonstrating their sincerity by stopping acting like jerks. 

All the best,

2.1. Ray Pettersen's Victim Notification

Proof that Mike Mattlage is a fraud.

In Mike Mattlage's slander video he claims that I partnered with a homosexual to swindle millions of dollars from people.  Below is the proof that he is fabricating everything.  He did this to my wife and I while we were in the process of loosing our home.  Mike never contacted me, the source, to confirm anything.  So, his agenda of the destruction of my wife and I as well as Noahide Nations is quite clear. 

Proof that my wife and I were victims of the very crime that Mike talks about, and now victims of Mike's slander video. 

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL.

May 16, 2016

U.S. Department of Justice Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI - Dallas J. Gordon Shanklin Building One Justice Way Dallas, TX 75220-5220 Phone: (972) 559-5684

RE: Case Number: 318B-DL-7519115

Dear Ray Pettersen:

As a Victim Specialist with the FBI - Dallas, I'm contacting you because we have identified you as a possible victim of a crime.

This case is currently under investigation by the FBI. A criminal investigation can be a lengthy undertaking, and, for several reasons, we cannot tell you about its progress at this time. A victim of a federal crime is entitled to receive certain services. The enclosed brochure introduces you to the FBI's Victim Assistance Program and the types of assistance that may be available to you.

2.2. Ray Pettersen's Victim Impact Notification

Victim Impact Notification

September 21, 2017

U.S. Department of Justice Eastern District of Texas in Plano 101 East Park Boulevard Suite 500 Plano, TX 75074 Phone: (972) 509-1201 Fax: (972) 509-1209

Ray Pettersen

Dear Ray Pettersen:

The enclosed information is provided by the United States Department of Justice Victim Notification System (VNS). As a victim witness professional, my role is to assist you with information and services during the prosecution of this case. I am contacting you because you were identified by law enforcement as a victim or potential victim during the investigation of the above criminal case.

On September 18, 2017, defendant Carlton C. Sayers pled guilty to the charges listed below. Any remaining counts will be disposed of at the time of sentencing. As a result of the guilty plea, there will be no trial involving this defendant.

It is helpful for the Court to know the impact of this crime on its victims. In an effort to provide this information to the Court, we are enclosing a Victim Impact Statement. If you choose to complete a statement, please forward it to:

United States Attorneys Office
Eastern District of Texas in Plano
101 East Park Boulevard
Suite 500
Plano, TX 75074

This is one way the Court can hear your concerns as they relate to the crime. A United States Probation Officer may also contact you in an effort to obtain additional victim impact information. Victim impact information is generally not public information; however, under criminal law and procedures, all information contained in your questionnaire will be disclosed to the defendant and his attorney.

Victim: Ray Pettersen
USAO Number: 2016R00201
Court Docket Number: 17-CR-00046

Insert the impact of the crime here (or, if a separate victim impact form is attached, please use that form to describe the impact of the crime):

2.3. Ray Pettersen's Victim Impact Statement to Judge

United States v. Defendant(s) Carlton C. Sayers
Case Number 2016R00201

Dear Honorable Judge,

I am writing to you as a victim of Carlton Sayers, who stole $175,000 from my wife and me. I know that this is a “Victim Impact” statement but there is no way to convey the deep pain that continues to exist within my wife, Mary, and I. Chad Sayers, has quite literally, ripped our lives apart in ways that are difficult to explain and we will certainly never be able to recover from it.

First, the $175,000 was our retirement fund. My wife and I are past our prime in terms of obtaining an upwardly mobile and gainful employment. I am 60 and my wife is 72. We spent years saving the money Mr. Sayers stole from us and will never be able to recover from this kind of devastation.

Thankfully, Mr. Sayers was unable to steal our home, however, my wife and I finally succumbed to the financial strain and were no longer able to remain in our home of 10 years. Our goal was to use the equity we had in our home to use for our continued retirement. My wife is already retired and I was supposed to retire in a couple years. That will no longer happen.

Additionally, our credit has suffered through all this. Mary and I had an 800 plus credit rating. It has now dropped to the point that we now have to pay higher interest on money we borrow, that is, if we are able to be approved. Our credit cards were always paid off every month, but as a result of Mr. Sayers theft of our money we have had no choice but to max out our credit cards in order to survive. Household items that my wife and I would give to charity groups for those in need such as clothing, furniture, food, etc. we now have to sell to help pay bills.

These are just some of the physical impacts in our life and I assure you there are so many more that I would fill pages but it is simply too depressing.

The emotional side of this devastation has been worse than the loss of items, which we may ultimately lose everything we own. For nearly 2 years there has not been a day that goes by that I am not emotionally distraught to some degree. For twenty-three year’s I have been able to provide for my wife and I, until now. At this point, we are living day to day and praying to God to help us through the next day. We no longer trust anyone and don’t really have anyone we can turn to for the help we need to get ourselves back to where we once were.

For me, personally, I was always optimistic about our future, but that has completely changed to a feeling of despair, depression, desperation and simply a feeling of hopelessness. In the morning, I sometimes wake up in such despair that I just want to give up. I feel like I can’t take care of my wife and her needs, and certainly don’t feel like I can take care of my own. Nowadays I am also quick to anger, especially when this whole ordeal comes up in a conversation.

I remember the times when Mr. Sayers would tell us about his vacations; the many cruises he and his partner went on and the places they had seen. We were glad for him as it indicated to us that our investment was fine and we had nothing to worry about. As it turns out he was using our money to go on these luxury cruises. They told us about new cars they would buy, things they purchased for the house and Chad always had the money to pay for his mother’s care. He told us that cost $5000 a month and we admired him for taking care of his mother. This was before we found out that he was stealing investor’s money to do it.

The emotional rollercoaster we have been on has been miserable. The level of emotion for betrayal, stress, tears, anger, hopelessness, despair, desperation, panic, hate, our foolishness and stupidity in believing he was an honorable man, and many more emotions. The intensity of these emotions are simply indescribable. In my view Carlton Sayers is a master con man who has an ability to lie right to your face and not even blink. The number of lies and the level of destruction he has leveled on many good people are immeasurable. He is a man who has shown no remorse for what he has done and has no intension of paying us back which he said he would do; no heart, conscience or sad feelings for the devastation he has done to people’s lives and apparently has no fear of the law. He was warned by the FBI not to commit any further crimes but he still went ahead and did it anyway. This is a dangerous man. Though Mr. Sayers, is not considered a murderer, I can say, without reservation, that he murdered the life that my wife, Mary, and I built for the past 20 plus years. Without question, he has irrevocably changed our lives forever, for the worse.

It is my hope that he is sentenced to the maximum amount of time that the law allows. Of course, that will never be enough as his actions have sentenced us to a completely different life for the rest of our lives.

Sincerely,

Ray Pettersen

2.4. Results of Ray Pettersen's Work With the FBI

I worked with the FBI for over 2 years providing them with everything they needed for a conviction.

DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL.

March 06, 2018

U.S. Department of Justice Eastern District of Texas in Plano 101 East Park Boulevard Suite 500 Plano, TX 75074 Phone: (972) 509-1201 Fax: (972) 509-1209

Ray Pettersen

Dear Ray Pettersen:

The enclosed information is provided by the United States Department of Justice Victim Notification System (VNS). As a victim witness professional, my role is to assist you with information and services during the prosecution of this case. I am contacting you because you were identified by law enforcement as a victim or potential victim during the investigation of the above criminal case.

Defendant Carlton C. Sayers was sentenced by the Court. The Court ordered the defendant to the following:

     Incarceration of 11 year(s)
     Followed by Supervised Release of 3 year(s)
     Special Assessment of $200.00.

3. Mike Mattlage Tells Ger Gang Members to Hunt Down Noahides and their Rabbis

This is another one of Mike Mattlage's disgusting videos where he is telling his Ger Gang members how to hunt down the Erev Rav (mixed multitude), meaning Noahides and Rabbis who disagree with his interpretation of the Ger Toshav.  We know that Mike has made multiple teaching videos on this subject under the title 'Hunting stories with Uncle Mike' .     Once these videos were discovered the Waco police department was notified of the threats made by Mike.  We don't know exactly what the interaction was between Mike and law enforcement but we do know that the videos were removed from the main Facebook page soon after contact was made with the police.  However, these videos are still hidden on the Shalom 70 Facebook page in the video section.  This is how we know that their "Peace" initiative is nothing more that a farce in an attempt to draw attention to themselves. 

What I find so amusing about this is that jesus said similar things like in Luke 19:27 "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me."  Kind of interesting, isn't it?

4. It's All About the Money-The Practice of Hypocrisy

As you have probably heard and/or witnessed on videos and posts, Ray Pettersen and Noahide Nations are all about the money.  Mike Mattlage, Russell Kirk and many on the "ger" membership claim that this is the only purpose for our existence.  It has gone as far as Mike Mattlage bragging that he asked me why I was "prostituting Torah".  Mike Mattlage is very proud of the fact that he did this during the 2011 Noahide Nations World Conference during my lecture on the future of the Noahide movement.  He wanted to demonize me and ruin my reputation by asking this question in an auditorium full of Noahide and Jews who were attending the conference.  After seeing the absolute hypocrisy on the part the ger gang you will probably ask what is Mike Mattlage's, Russell Kirk and the ger gang's true agenda.  It seems that no one is allowed to generate any revenue to cover expenses and maybe generate enough to eat a burger or two for the effort put forth.  The only ones who are allowed to generate revenue are their teachers or individuals who are friends and believe the way they believe.  I would love for Mike and his gang to show us where in Torah it says that it's OK to be a hypocrite and ruin the names of individuals and organization for their own benefit.

Here are a couple glowing examples from the ger gang.  This first part will show Ger Kirk and others attacking Noahide Nations.

What is Ger Kirk's real agenda here?  Many of their own members recognize it but leader's Kirk and Mattlage never change their song.  A number of the statements made here are simply fabrications and distortions.  I'm just revealing their hypocrisy on money.

Maybe Mike and Russell can explain how Ray Pettersen and Noahide Nations are prostituting Torah and yet they are not prostituting Torah.  Does this make sense to anyone?

Russell Kirk

December 28, 2019

If Noahide was not a new religion why would it need a new Siddur... Let that sink in...

Gloria Culver The old siddur is new for a religion as old as Noahides. Was there a siddur in Abraham’s time??

Ariella Davidi Well it depends, are you a Sephardic ger, Ashkenazi ger, mezrahi ger? Even we Jews have multiple prayer books. Im really not sure of the point?

DM Molato This is an idea of confusion? How the gentiles be enlighten if there's no correct or an exact teaching from the Jewish people?

DM Molato To whom we the gentiles rely on? How will be the fulfilment of Zechariah 8:20-23?

Russell Kirk DM Molato exactly... that’s why I don’t believe the Noahide needs a separate siddur if we are to grasp the Torah of the Jew...

Gorgonio Cabilete why some noachide made there sidur ? who authorized them to do that?

Russell Kirk Gorgonio Cabilete their pocket books...

Gorgonio Cabilete Russell Kirk Oohhh so there is no Orthodox Rabbi commanded to do so? Actually i ask this because i want a clarification of this subject.

Danilo S Abanilla I thought both all of you are a rightious one. You insult the noahide of his own practice of being a rightious gentile .so if you think that mo rabbi guided with us through our prayer and observance of a 7 laws go ahead of what you are becouse you know to your selves that you being save from this olam hashe and your street bound to olam haba .but you know that all of us will pass through the hell of fire

Julien Willow This statement is really not fair to noahides. Jewish Sidurs are prayers specific to the Jewish people, some things technically not applicable to noahides.

Russell Kirk Julien Willow if you pray in the merit of Israel it does not matter... these new prayer books coming out separate the Noahide from Israel instead attaching them to Israel... If I can’t pray in the merit of Israel what does that make me? And if I won’t pray in the merit of Israel what does that say about me? If the purpose of the righteous non Jew is not to make a new religion then how can the righteous non Jew be separated out from Israel... that is the point here...

Julien Willow Russell Kirk I think this is why Paul and Peter created messianic Noahidism.

Albeit people like you and I love the Jewish people and Judaism, not everyone has the same level of passion.

Not everyone wants to be holy, nor be observant. They need something more tailored to their needs.

The cultural differences are simply too vast. Even i, who tend to be prudish in opinion find that I cannot fit right into a Jewish community because of cultural differences. It's something I must slowly learn. And I'm willing. Then you have the Jewish people who are fearful of Lashon Hara, so they keep their opinions to themselves, on top of the fact that religious Jewish believers aren't very talkative because that's not the Jewish culture, of course there are the few exceptions here and there.

If gentiles were indeed commited to Noahidism or ger, HaShem would have raised a rabbi cator to gentiles, and he has. The honest truth is gentiles aren't ready for that level of commitment.

Michael Clark Anyone who thanks this is good teaching is crazy! I would rather stay a Christian than a noahide.

Russell Kirk

December 16, 2018

Haha... how funny Noahide Nations is using the status of Ger Toshav to sell their way over priced learning program after they tell Noahides they can’t learn Torah and there is no such thing as a Ger Toshav... you can’t make this stuff up.... I’m wondering if the Noahides want to prepare themselves for being a Ger Toshav why don’t they just live their life “like” a Ger Toshav now like we do.... and save their money....

Russell Kirk Rabbi David Katz adheres to the Nascent Sanhedrin rulings on all his teachings... meaning if anyone has issues with any of Rabbi Katz’s teachings the Nascent Sanhedrin will rule on the discrepancy... this will end the need for unsubstantiated letters defaming a kosher Rabbi and his teachings... and for the record the Nascent Sanhedrin invited all eight signers if the bogus letter circulated about Rabbi Katz for them to justify their claims against him... all eight of them refused to show up.... proving they can not justify their public deformation of a Kosher Rabbi...

Michael Frederick if whoever was trying to accomplish something in that email - they did it. People will realize what really is going on there. I'd be willing to bet they were looking on for a response. We must try to cultivate unity. Neither side is no better at this point. Noahide and Ger are both important to the world. Teachers really are capable of making mistakes and who does it hurt? Their students.

Russell Kirk Michael Frederick I don’t see any Ger Rabbi or Ger Teacher charging this kind of money for pages of a siddur and/or classes... then dangling the hope of residency in Israel to non Jews to sweeten the deal.... I don’t mind sharing in some of the blame for some hard feeling I contributed to that... but the Ger has exploded the Torah for financial gains... and this type of exploration of Torah needs to be exposed

James Rogers There's one born every minute.

Salinda Sheffels How sad to see this level of misdirection for profit

Russell Kirk I think the oscillation here be between telling The Noahide they can’t study Torah to make money from them and then telling them they can study only the Torah they give you to make even more money from the Noahides... the oscillation here is the Noahides money from their pocket to theirs...

There is much more of this nonsense but I think you get the point so far.

4.1. Ger Russell Kirk and Wife Allowed to Raise Funds

In the previous section the Ger Gang attacks Noahide Nations and the Talmudic University for daring to raise funds.

Let's have a look at all their teachers and members NOT raising funds.

I thought I would start with Ger Leader Kirk NOT raising funds.

Even Ger Kirk's wife is allowed to raise funds.  She charges me for her products and I'm supposed to give them away?  How sad is that?  How fair is that?

On Jun 19, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Ray Pettersen" <Ray@NoahideNations.com> wrote:

Hi Teresa,

Hope all is well with you and Russell.  I was wondering if I could get 3 of the Challah Covers?

Ray

From: Teresa Kirk [mailto:thk358@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:17 PM
To: <ray@noahidenations.com>
Subject: Re: Challah Covers

Will start working on them. When do you need them?

Teresa Kirk 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2012, at 9:35 AM, "Ray Pettersen" <ray@noahidenations.com> wrote:

Hi Teresa,

Just checking to see where you were at with the Challah Covers?  Any chance of getting them this month by the end of the month?

Ray

From: Teresa Kirk [mailto:thk358@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 6:07 PM
To: <ray@noahidenations.com>
Subject: Re: Challah Covers

I have been having trouble with them I don't like the design and can't get the new one to come out right and for the price that you pay.  You will probably have to tell them that the company has gone out of business.  Sorry for the inconvenience. 

Teresa Kirk 

Sent from my iPhone

4.2. Ger Teacher Joel Bakst (Baks) and Wife Allowed to Raise Funds

Here we can see one of the Ger Gang teachers being allowed to raise funds.  All while they are criticizing Noahide Nations for doing the same thing.

4.3. Ger Teacher David Katz Allowed to Raise Funds

This is another Ger Gang teacher, David Katz, who has their permission to raise funds.  Noahide Nations is still waiting for the Ger Gang Leadership to explain why we are not allowed to raise funds.  Please note the first exhibit is the pay David Katz demanded from Noahide Nations.  Much of which was donated by Ray and Mary Pettersen so others could attend the classes for free.

The Ger Gang Leadership believes it's OK for David Katz to charge $600 for nine 55 minute class. 
Noahide Nations charged $300 - $400 for 60 live, 1 hour minimum, classes on the Noahide Laws & Life Cycle Course. 
The course was researched, developed and written by poskim (Judges).  This course is fully
sourced and is accepted by Orthodox Rabbis from around the world.  In other words we teach actual Torah.

4.4. Ger Teacher Rabbi Ariel Bar Zadok Allowed to Raise Funds

Rabbi Ariel Bar Zadok is allowed to raise funds.

4.5. Ger Teacher Rabbi Chaim Clorfene Allowed to Raise Funds

First item you will see here is the utter audacity of Ger teachers Rabbi Clorfene and David Katz asking me and/or Noahide Nations to fund their book on "Ger".  It is incredibly audacious of them to ask me for funds while their students demonize me for raising funds.  This speaks volume's to what the "I Get Ger/I Get Ger 2.0 and Shalom 70" leadership, teachers and members are truly all about.

Dear Ray:

Shalom. I, too, am sorry about the confusion and lack of communication. Yes, I know about the meeting with Rabbi Arush and Rabbi Katz. And I know about the their discussion concerning the Ger, but I am not so familiar with the details that I could report about what was said, other than Rabbi Arush agreeing that according to Rebbe Nachman of Breslev, the "Ger" mentioned in Torah 14 of Likutei Maran was both the Jewish convert and the Noahide, and all the other mentions of "Ger" in that book included both Jew and Noahide as well. 

I forgot to mention that Rav Katz and I are now looking for help in defraying the publishing costs of our new book by selling dedications. Anyone seeking a blessing for oneself or one's loved ones, for publicity purposes or just for the sake of a great mitzvah, we are certain that, with Hashem's help, this book is going to become a new classic of Noahide Torah. The book focuses on "the parables, stories, and historical narratives that form the character and world view of a people." The entire book exists solely to strengthen the cultural and spiritual identity of B'nai Noah. And it includes the introduction of the "Torah of Shem" which we believe will be a breakthrough to a new dimension of Noahide Torah. We need help with this project and if you are interested either personally or for Noahide Nations, or know someone else who would want to share some of the merit of this book, please let us know. A full page dedication is $5000.00 and a half page is $2500.00. The working title of the book (not 100% firm at this point) is "The Way of the Ger." I would be happy to email a sample chapter if you are interested in joining in for a share of this mitzvah.

Chag Sameyach and may you receive the Torah with joy on Shavuot.  

Chaim Clorfene

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4.6. It's All About the Money-Conclusion

The evidence clearly demonstrates the anyone who is friendly and agrees with the "Non-Jewish Ger's" at I Get Ger/I Get Ger 2.0 and now Shalom 70 are free to charge people for whatever they want, regardless of the amount.  Mike Mattlage and Russell Kirk promote these people on a regular basis.  Even Russell Kirk promotes the sale of his products.  If they were honest and fair they would bad mouth everyone of their teachers for doing the exact same exact thing.  Why have they not included in their attacks their own people or themselves for promoting their products?  Additionally, how did Yeshiva University, Hebrew University and every other yeshiva on the planet escape their wrath?  The answer is quite simple, they have selectively targeted  Ray & Mary Pettersen and Noahide Nations with their assault.  Why?  Simple, they are jealous and have tremendous hate for Ray Pettersen.  There reasons?  No one really knows why except that Noahide Nations has achieved a great deal more than they have and helped many more people learn the truth in Torah than they have, over the past 15 years.  They are desperately trying to make themselves relevant in the Noahide and Jewish world by tearing down Noahide Nations, the founder and his wife.  What they will say is that they never attacked my wife, Mary. 

HaShem says in Genesis 2:24 "For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh".  For anyone who has been married for 25+ years you will find know this verse to be completely true.  My wife and I find ourselves literally saying and thinking the exact same things at the exact same time.  We laugh with each other about it and also sit in awe of HaShem's statement in this verse.  Unfortunately, it goes well beyond that in that when I am hurting, Mary is hurting; when Mary hurts, I hurt.  When they attack me, they are attacking Mary as well.  When they attack Noahide Nations they attack both of us because HaShem gave the idea of Noahide Nations to me, and Mary is on the Board of Directors.

It goes without saying that every time the non-Jewish Ger attacks Noahide Nations they attack everyone, teachers, students, everyone on our Facebook group and many more who are involved with Noahide Nations, which numbers in the thousands around the world.  In all honesty, Russell and Mike should be ashamed of themselves along with everyone who has joined in on this as well as those who know Mary & I and Noahide Nations and sat back and did nothing about it. 

If the evidence presented here does not define hypocrisy then every dictionary on the planet has the wrong definition.

5. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis-Intro

This video ia a wonderful example of Mike's Torah personality as he attacks 8 Rabbi's who dared to question and debate the "Ger Teachings" of David Katz. There was no debate on the topic but rather a lot of name calling by the I Get Ger/Shalom 70 Facebook Group. Additionally, Mike talks about how the Rabbis and Noahides have prevented the moshiach's anointing because Joel Bakst (Baks) yeshiva was turned down by the residents of Tzvat.  Mike also shows off his ego by apologizing to all the world on our behalf. If this wasn't so serious it would be laughable.

5.1. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis I

Russell and Mike show off their version of Torah.

5.2. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis II

Russell Kirk

March 14

What can you say.... some Noahides want to be treated as idolators.

12 Karen Maitlen, Rosalie Jordan and 10 others liked

Reese Stroppa Why even bother leaving Christianity then?

Russell Kirk Reese Stroppa good point... but in reality they haven’t... that’s why some Jews treat all the righteous non Jews like they are still in the church... because of these Shabbos goyim...

Gloria Culver Reese Stroppa we were at that point at one time too but now we know better.

Mike Mattlage might as well call them the "N-word".. wait, they do.. the new "N-word" is Noahide, been saying it for years.. its time people start listening

Russell Kirk Lalaine Garcia a Shabbos goy is a non Jew that breaks Shabbat for the Jew... the Jew can only ask an idolator/AKUM to do this for them... but in reality the Jew never need a Shabbos goy... it just nice to have around...

Russell Kirk A Shabbos Goy is a AKUM...

מיכאל דוד גואטה Russell Kirk
Akum ?
No brother. A shabbat goy don't neccessary believe in idols

Russell Kirk

December 3, 2019

The confusing no no hide teachings on Ger Toshav... first there is no Ger Toshav then they are the Ger Toshav... no wonder the Noahides are confused... look at who is teaching them...

5.3. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis III

5.4. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis IV

5.5. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis V

5.6. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis VI

5.7. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis VII

5.8. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis VII

Russell speaks about how these Rabbis are disrespectful.  This is anti-Semitism on display by someone calling himself a righteous non-Jew.  When you attack a book you attack everything and everyone in the book including those who have taken the time to write a haksama (approbation).  I have put up a some of the approbations for your review.  Everyone of these Rabbi's are far superior in Torah knowledge than Russell Kirk will ever be.  These Rabbi's have been yeshiva trained and have an accumulation of 100's of years of Torah learning, teaching and wisdom.  A number of them sit on the highest courts in Israel.  To say that this is disgusting, on Russell's part, would be an understatement.  It shows a high degree of anti-Semitism, anti Torah and against non-Jews learning proper Torah.  After seeing this why would anyone, in their right mind, want to learn Torah from the Ger Gang.

5.9. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis VIII

I guess Ger Kirk thinks pretty highly of himself.

5.10. Russell Kirk, Mike Mattlage and the Ger Gang Attack Noahides and Rabbis IX

More from Ger Leadership.

Russell Kirk Why are we not called Ger Tzaddik.... are we not righteous non Jews... isn’t Ger Tzaddik one way to say righteous stranger/non Jew???

Russell Kirk 3 dollars a class is all the no no hide teachings are worth... if that much... but I’m not getting the 500 or even 250 Noahide Nations is asking for the same thing for a teaching series from a Rabbi with a questionable background at best...

Ger Kirk says “3 dollars a class is all the no no hide teachings are worth... if that much...”

So, I guess when Ger’s Kirk and Mattlage brag about giving their teachings away for free, I guess that’s all they're worth!

The Rabbi they are referring to is a Posek (Judge).   Go HERE to find out about their Rabbi and why he was run out of Israel.

6. Russell Kirk and Mike Mattlage Tear Apart Noahide Group in Waco, TX.

As you will see Mike Mattlage and Russell Kirk will attempt to discredit and even destroy the reputations of anyone who disagrees with them or gets in the way of their agenda.  Here we see Russell's admission to splitting the Waco Noahide Group and next to that a letter I received from one of George's students telling me about the reality of what was done to George Brock and this Noahide Waco Group.

Dear Ray,

My name is                        and I am a proud member of Noahide Nations and George Brock's group in Waco Texas. It has been brought to my attention through an e-mail composed by Russell Kirk and Mike Mattledge, allegations made against George Brock.

That George said:
1) Rabbi Brody made some sort of 'black list'.
2) People can damage and lose their soul.
3) Misinterpretation on 'Ger' definitions.

I felt compelled to write this letter to not only to defend George and Rabbi Brody, but also to clarify a few points and explain the underlining circumstances that have led up to this.

About 6-8 years ago Mike and Russell were students of George Brock, and a discord developed between Mike and Russell's position and George's position on 3 points:

1) Are Noahides under the Kosher Laws?
2) Is Noahism a stepping stone Religion to convert to Judaism?
3) Should beginner Noahides learn the Zohar?

Mike and Russell's position;
1. Noahides are under the Jewish Kosher Laws.
2. Noahism is a stepping stone Religion to convert to Judaism.
3. Beginning students should learn the Zohar.

George's position;
1. Noahides are not under the Jewish Kosher laws, We should bless our food, and find out what we can and can't do.
2. Noahism is a separate Religion under the umbrella of Judaism.
3. Beginning students should be concerned with reading the weekly Torah portion (parsha), recite the 'Shema' in the morning and at night and bless your food before and after eating.  That it is not a good idea to study the Zohar until one can understand it.

The result of this discord:
1.Mike and Russell separated from George's group and Noahide Nations and started teaching groups of their own.
2. Mike and Russell attached themselves to Rabbi Richmond, Rabbi Baskt, and Rabbi Schwartz.
3. George continued his group teaching his positions and attached our group to the teachings of the Sages, Ramban and Rambam and the guidance of Shalom Arush,Rabbi Brody and recently Rabbi Bloomsteil. Some of George's students also attended Mike's classes.

Recently a course by Rabbi Bloomsteil started and George and I are students of this wonderful course. After a few courses, a few things came to light for us, such as;
1. What the definitions of the 'Ger Tzaddik and Ger Toshav' were.
2. Noahism is a separate Religion attached to the reaffirmation of the 7 Noahide laws at Sinai.
3. We should not do blessings with the words 'commanded Israel' in them.
4. That we were misled by some people when we performed our 'Beit Din'.
5. That the mainstream Rabbinical community is the Authority that we were looking for.

George contacted Brandon (the longest student of the Friday night classes) and explained that we were going to follow the mainstream authority and explained that we have made the right choices over the years attaching ourselves to Nachman and Rabbi Brody and now Rabbi Bloomsteil.  Brandon immediately called me and asked me about Rabbi Bloomsteil and I expressed the excitement I felt.  And I made a statement that we are living in a time when one should be more concerned with the Spiritual and the Soul than the physical and the body. And I feel that if we follow the Authority that we will receive more truth and light. I believe that my conversation and George's conversation became combined when it was transmitted through Chaviar to Mike and then Russell. Mike called George and informed George that in the next class that Mike was going to give, he was informing the students of his class that they could no longer learn from Himself and George at the same time. They were no longer welcome if they continued to learn from George.
 
George was upset and held a meeting with the students and explained why we were following Nachman, Brody and Bloomsteil, because we have grown so much from learning about the importance of 'Emuna'- 'T'shuvah' and 'Hitbodidut' from Nachman and Brody that the thing we were lacking was structure and guidelines on what we can and can't do. Rabbi Bloomsteil is that missing piece, we are finally being heard from the mainstream authority and we are going to receive guidance in the area we need it the most. George explained to the students that they were going to be forced to make a choice by Mike. Regardless of what choice they were going to make, they are loved and welcome to attend class anytime, that there is no animosity towards them at all, sadly to say they were becoming collateral damage and we are sorry for that.

The result of these slanderous accusations is an attack on;
1) George personally.
2) George's character.
3) The mentors and Rabbi Brody.
4) The core of the teachings of George's class.
5) The students being torn apart in the process.
6) The credibility of George in the Jewish community and the Noahide community.
7) The respect of a former teacher.
8) The relationship between George and Rabbi Brody.
9) The mainstream authority.
10) Noahide Nations.

After understanding the underlining root of the problem one can see why this resurfaced at this time. With the teachings of Rabbi Bloomsteil, situations have come to light, some of us are willing to adhere to the guidance of the mainstream authority regardless of what adjustments we need to make in order to have a structure and unity. And some of us choose not to, and rifts like this occur. What is unsettling is that this became a personal attack on George, off of a grapevine of 5th hand news. Instead of going to the source to verify the comments. By taking information off a chain of 5 private conversations and compiling your own conclusions can cause the truth to get lost in the process.

George did not make any derogatory statements against Rabbi Brody, Quite the contrary; He stated that we owe Rabbi Brody an insurmountable debt and we are grateful and honored to attach ourselves to such a great Rabbi. In actuality, by sending that e-mail, Russell was the one who accused Rabbi Brody and said it was on George's behalf. And the e-mail attacked the definitions we learned from Rabbi Bloomsteil on the 'Ger'. Which is ironic that the subject under attack was a subject involving the root problem with the difference on opinions concerning conversion. I take responsibility for the conversation I had with Brandon and the statement I made about Souls, which turned into the opposite of what I said when it came out in the e-mail.

In conclusion;

As I stated earlier I felt compelled to write this letter because I do not feel it is right to slander George when anyone who knows him, knows that is not at all the kind of man he is. And to try to pit George against his Mentor is wrong. Someone needs to stop this travesty and keep it from happening again. There is enough division between the Noahides we do not need to create falsified personal attacks to add fuel to the fire. George is my instructor, teacher, Spiritual guide, mentor and most important, my friend. Please help stop the unjust accusations.

Sincerely,

                           

7. 'Ger Gang' Attacks Noahide Nations Noahide Siddur

Another glowing example of the Ger Gang's constant attacks on Noahide Nations.  These two posts were still up after they started their Shalom 70 "Charm Offensive" and after they claimed I joined their group.  'The Order' was researched and authored by a posek (Judge) and expert on Torah Law.

Why did Russell Kirk never attack these other Noahide prayer books?  The Ger Gang only attacked the Noahide Nations Siddur.

I Wonder why.  

8. 'Ger' Mike Mattalge Attacks Author of the 'Noahide Code'.

I am not a fan of Alan Cecil because he has badmouthed me publicly as well and I may release all that evidence at a later date.  However, this video shows us that Mike Mattlage continues his journey of Torah violations by condemning a book that has help a great many people find their way out of Christianity.

Here is Mike's special video.

9. Ger Kirk Thinks There is No Noahide Music

Even after the Shalom 70's call for peace Russell still is not being truthful in this video regarding the lack of music for Noahides. Noahide Nations produced a CD titled 'For Heaven's Sake' which was a unity CD with a compilation of songs from Noahides and Jews. This CD was produced by Sam Glaser (voted in Top 10 Jewish Entertainers-Moment Magazine) along with his own Noahide CD titled 'Nations of the World'.  Here is the funny part, Russell and his wife along with Mike Mattlage received copies of each of these CD's at the 2011 Noahide Nations World Conference at no charge.  Sam and Ray paid for these CD's so everyone in attendance could receive a free copy of each.  So, the truth of the matter is that Noahide music has been around for at least 9 years.  Also, a long time friend of Noahide Nations, Kendall Jones, produced a Noahide CD titled 'Song of Adam: Singing Psalms for the Nations'.  Additionally, Amy Magnusson also produced a CD titled 'Tikkun' prior to converting.  Why in the world would anyone want to diminish the efforts of others?

Listen to Sam perform his hit song 'Dancing in Jerusalem'

                                                   

                      Listen to Jordan Chaviv's beautiful rendition of 'Shema Israel' HERE

                  
                    Kendall Jones                                      Amy Magnusson 

10. Ger Kirk is Not Even a Good Storyteller

This is just another example of Russell Kirk’s inability to tell the truth.  So, now I have to set the record straight which I will do in blue text.

Russell gets 5 Pinocchio's on this little gem.

Russell Kirk

I was the Vice President of Noahide Nations and worked with Ray Petterson closely...

Yes, Russell was a VP with Noahide Nations but didn’t do very much at all.  I went to the Board of Directors and explained Russell’s lack of effort and commitment.  It was decided to have Russell step down from his VP position with Noahide Nations and become the President of the International Torah Fellowship.  Russell agreed but as time went on it was just more of the same so we had to remove him from that position as well.  Clearly Russell is holding a grudge which has turned to hate.

Noahide Nations is notorious for taking in Rabbis that develop relationships to the Students on Noahide Nations then Ray has a falling out with the Rabbi either kicks him out or the Rabbi leaves causing the students to be torn between the Rabbi they have grown to love or the organization of Noahide Nations...If you chose the Rabbi you gave then became a enemy of Ray and an outcast at Noahide Nations... This happened to Rabbi Bakst and Rabbi Katz…

I’m not sure what Russell is even trying to say here but you are more than welcome to look at our past and present Faculty.  You will see just how many Rabbis have worked with Noahide Nations.  We only had to let one Rabbi go and that was Joel Bakst (Baks).  I will be putting a section together explaining exactly why we had to let him go.  David Katz quit because he became frustrated with Adam Penrod and I for wanting him to send his sources for articles he was writing, but he refused.  We were relentless in asking for the sources so he decided to leave and do his own thing which is the teaching of the new religion of Ger.  In both cases we parted company favorably with no hard feelings.  Interestingly enough I can name 4 Rabbis they have thrown under the bus in 5 years.  Unlike Ger Kirk I will not embarrass them by giving out their names.  Russell and Mike know though. 

... and the hand writing is on the wall for Rabbi Bloominstiel... He thinks all is good with him and Ray, but he is lucky that he is a liberal and Ray let him stay in Noahide Nations... much less all the things coming out now... I can see why Rabbi is speaking do nicely of Ray lately... He is hoping it will help...

If Russell had the courage to simply find out the fact’s, like a true Noahide would, he would know that Rabbi Bloomenstiel left as a result of getting his law degree from SMU, passing the bar and is currently a partner in a law firm.  He is a trial attorney which takes an extensive amount of work every day just preparing for trail.  Oh, yeah, he also has a family that, for some reason, he wanted to spend some time with.  Rabbi Bloomenstiel didn’t want to commit to another cycle of 60 classes.  So, after finishing his 5^th cycle of the Noahide Laws & Life Cycle Course it was time to throw in the towel.  This may not be understandable to Russell but it is to me and anyone else with common sense.  He wishes that he had the time to teach because he loved it so much.

Rabbi Bloomenstiel and I have been friends for 7 years and he is my Rabbi on any halachic questions I have.

Noahide nations has had more splits than the first Baptist Church and people wonder why so many people think Noahide Nations is creating a new religion or becoming a church... It's simple Noahide Nations acts like a church... Money... organization... Control... Power... I've seen it all there.

This is nothing more than a pond full of bilge being spewed by Russell.  It is interesting to note that Russell is a former Baptist minister.  So, if anyone is proficient at starting a new religion and being a church, it is Russell Kirk.  He is the one interested in glorifying himself by destroying others which has already been proven.  He is the one who wants all the power that’s why Russell and Mike want everyone to join their Shalom 70 “Charm Offensive”.

Getting away from the grip of this no no hide organization has freed me to learn Torah more than ever before... This is why the Ger is so passionate most of us have came out of not one church but two... The Ger just want the freedom to study Torah without some organization trying to make us follow them... That's all I got to say about that...

This entire post is all about Russell thinking he is achieving something when in fact he is just looking for some attention.  Anyone with common sense can see exactly what he is trying to do.  Sadly, for him, he can only fabricate stories with the hope that the stories will work.

11. Who Are the Ger Gang Teachers?

We all have had teachers throughout our lives, parents, grandparents, school teachers and for many of us Torah teachers.  Though we have thousands of Rabbis in the world there are less than a handful who have studied the Noahide Laws and even fewer who can actually teach on the subject at a deep level.  Most Rabbi's are proficient in the Torah for Jews and not the Torah for Non-Jews.  When it comes to Rabbi's or teachers they are all to be respected as they have put in the time to gain the knowledge for their particular smicha.  Clearly, not all Rabbi's are equal.  A good Rabbi is one who understands that his ability to convey material to students is measured by the questions his student asks.

Any Torah teacher has the honor of representing HaShem and his Torah and therefore his teachings and his way of life should reflect that.  Most Rabbi's live honorable Torah based lives while others, well, not so much.  The students are generally a reflection of who their teachers are.  Not in every case but in most cases.  The Rabbi cannot be held accountable for the actions of their students but are responsible for their teachings which is usually reflected in the students actions.

This section will show who the Ger Gang teachers are and may provide a possible answer, if only in part, as to why Mike Mattlage, Russell Kirk and the majority of their Ger Gang act the way they do.

For information on choosing a good Rabbi go HERE

11.1. Who is Joel Bakst (Baks)

I have know Joel Bakst (Baks) for nearly 15 years.  He was one of the few Rabbi's who, at that time, were willing to even teach non-Jews.  The majority of Rabbis, to this very day, have no interest in teaching Noahide Torah to non-Jews.  Even if that means sacrificing the whole "Light Unto the Nations" aspect of Torah.  However, in their defense virtually every nation has tried to exterminate the Jewish people to some degree.  You can even see this today with the level of anti-Semitism and Jewish hatred rising, seemingly, on a daily basis.

Anyway, Joel Bakst (Baks) taught with Noahide Nations for a number of years and even taught at our 2008 World Conference.  I am going to share with you the reason Joel is no longer with Noahide Nations, but, before I do it must be said that Joel and I left on very amicable terms.  There was never any animosity between us.  Ger Kirk has claimed the exact opposite occurred but that was just another one of Russell's fabrications.  After seeing this information though Joel may say that this isn't how it ended with Noahide Nations.  However, that is irrelevant because after you realize what the reason for Joel being asked to leave was it will not matter if the parting was amicable or not.

First up is a video of Mike Mattlage committing loshon hara and slander on behalf of Joel Bakst (Baks).  It also reflects Mike's extreme narcissistic qualities.

Here is the reason that the community of Tzvat rejected joel Bakst (Baks) and his yeshiva.  

This is the text of the letter Mike is referring to from Avraham Sutton, not Satan as Mike says.  This was part of an email that Rabbi Sutton sent me.

"About Joel Bakst: It’s not that he doesn’t want to do teshuvah. And it’s not that he hasn’t grown a lot in the 30 years since it all blew up and he was exposed in the Old City of Yerushalayim (1990). He does want to do full teshuvah and he has grown and matured a lot (due in large part to ingesting DMT and becoming an advocate of it, extolling its healing powers). Nevertheless, because of the way he did what he did (I can provide details) and that he did it numerous times after promising that he was under strict psychological and rabbinic supervision and that he was fully repentant, he still cannot be trusted. It is therefore imperative that we shun him. Literally, a huge part of his teshuvah is that we must continue to shun him. Yes this sounds very harsh. And it is. Individuals can befriend him, but in terms of societal acceptance, no. Individuals may still wish to learn with him (being attracted by his brilliant mind), but this should be limited to those who know enough to catch him when he returns to his old tricks of claiming that his understanding of Mashiach and the messianic process is more advanced that that of others, which in the past has led him to be a modern-day Shabtai Tzvi. And finally we have to consider the women who became his victims, whom he seduced with smooth words like the nachash himself... So you see, it’s not simple. It’s sad. Listen to what Rabbi David Zeller said about him many years ago: “Let’s say I have a super computer program that can literally do everything. It will solve all your problems and put you way ahead of the game. Wouldn’t you want such a program? The only problem is, it will infect your entire computer with a dangerous virus. Do you still want to install it?” As above, there is no question that Bakst is brilliant. However, hidden within his teachings lurks a secret ingredient that corrupts the neshamah. He claims that he is offering us the Highest Torah, the Torah of the Etz HaChayim. He makes it very attractive. He ties it in with most advanced ideas in science and psychology. And it’s even based largely on the teachings of the Gra (whom he claims to be a descendant of) and the Leshem, two of the greatest luminaries of Kabbalah! But it’s not pure. It’s tainted! Ay that it didn’t have to be this way!! It’s our loss as much as his. But we have no choice; we must protect ourselves."

I researched the drug DMT but I am not a doctor so I will leave it to you to do the research for yourself.

As you can see the issue with Joel Bakst (Baks) has been going on since 1990.  I was not made aware of this until 2009.  The next section will reveal my reasons for letting Joel go and, presumably, the reason Tzvat rejected his yeshiva.

11.2. Who is Joel Bakst (Baks) II

As you can see from the letter written by Avraham Sutton it vaguely describes what had occurred as far back as 1990 and had happened in the USA as well.  When in Israel Joel ruined they marriages of multiple families due to adultery.   When I first learned about this I was asked to remove Joel from his teaching role with Noahide Nations immediately.  However, a true Noahide Torah observant person cannot just take the word of others without confirming what is being said.  So, I requested as much information as I could get in order to do my own investigation with the sources themselves.  Apparently, Mike and Russell never learned this part of Torah as evidenced in the previous sections.  I'm assuming that no one in the Ger Gang learned this because none of them contacted me when Mike released his slander video about me.  And, the ones who knew the truth didn't bother to step up to reveal the truth to the rest of the Ger Gang.  For me I find this to be reprehensible by those who knew the truth.  Anyway, I digress.

I allowed Joel to continue teaching until I was completely finished with my investigation and could make an intelligent decision as to how I should proceed.  In the end Joel had to be removed based on all the evidence.  Below you will see some of that evidence.  What is not documented is my discussions with the women or families who were harmed by Joel here in the US and Israel.  I will present the emails without the names of the individuals, for obvious reasons.  I will also share my findings.

This first email is from a very prominent and respected Rabbi in Israel who helped me with my fact finding in Israel.  This will give you an idea of how serious this is.

11.3. Who is Joel Bakst (Baks) III

This next email shows the law enforcement that I had, personally, spoken to regarding Joel for the circumstances in the above email I spoke with the authorities myself.  The authorities were quite convincing.

11.4. Who is Joel Bakst (Baks) IV

11.5. Who is Joel Bakst (Baks) V

This letter is from a highly respected Rabbi, teacher and author.  This is also where I am stopping with the Ger Gang teacher Joel Bakst (Baks) as I can't take much more.  I have much more but I think the point has been made.

11.6. Who is Joel Bakst (Baks) VI

Avraham Sutton was not the only one to send a letter to Tzvat regarding Joel Bakst (Baks).  Here is another letter to the Chief Rabbi of Tzvat from Rabbi Yitzchak Goldstein, Rosh Yeshiva of Diaspora Yeshiva and Rabbi Avigdor Nevenzahl, a well renowned Posek, Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshivat Netiv Aryeh, and Rabbi of the Ramban Synagogue.  I have also included an entire discussion on this topic of Joel Bakst (Baks) and his deeds.  There are two interesting things about this: 1) Mike Mattlage never mentions these Rabbi's in his video slapping down Avraham Sutton who he blamed, along with Noahides, for preventing the moshiach being anointed, as if he would know when that time would be.  2) It funny to watch Joel Bakst (Baks) current students stand up for him and try to defend the indefensible.

Karen Pichel I thank you for sharing this with the community. A real public serivce!!

Ken Scott Karen Pichel thank you Karen.  Blessings

Nicholas Jakubowski Even though I am a Noahide, and that I don't want you to be alarmed or afraid because you and I are strangers here, I just cannot read the Hebrew at the moment because I never learned from a young age. I also just want to check-in and say that I think I am going through a similar situation in regards to a public defender that does not have my interests in mind. Have a good day.

Ken Scott Nicholas Jakubowski
I am a Ger and Noahide. Make sense? Good Book 1: The World of the Ger By Chaim Clorfene & David Katz.  2: The Path of the Righteous Gentile Two excelent books for Gentiles.  Gers, Noahides. Blessings, Ken

Brian Blair Is the "sin" in teaching this stuff to women or did something else occur?

Daniel Bendelman Brian Blair no, its not a sin to teach it to Woman. The sin he did was exploit woman and sexually abuse them, all while hiding under the facade of teaching kabbalah. His Torah is a poison used to do grave sins. Unfortunately people can use Torah for evil if they have

Gloria Culver Daniel .. did you witness this??

Dvorah Chanah Gloria Culver There's a long history, with many families/people directly involved and affected. It's all been documented, the rabbi lost his smicha, and then he went on to repeat the behavior, according to witnesses.

Malcolm Wilhelm I understand the sensitive nature of a situation like this, but did the individual in question sexually abuse women or was the problem more along the lines of inappropriate relations with various women? Forgive me if my question can not be answered.

Daniel Bendelman Gloria Culver totally irrelevant. The letter is all that's needed. You either heed the words of our Rabbis or you don't. There is no debate here.

Gloria Culver Daniel Bendelman You are right. What year was that letter? I heard he had done teshuva from something years ago but this could be another incident.

Yitzchak Michaelson Gloria Culver The letter is dated 2 days ago. Tshuva from such a situation is a complicated issue, especially for a Rabbi that was placed in cherem. Basically, a censure or exclusion from the community. Halakha requires that we shun such a person. Someone being removed requires a Beit Din.

Gloria Culver Yitzchak Michaelson thanks for the explanation

Dvorah Chanah Yitzchak Michaelson Thank you from me too. It's more complicated than I realized.

Gloria Culver Yitzchak Michaelson Did you write this letter

Dvorah Chanah Gloria Culver He probably didn't see your question because his name isn't linked. The English translation shows that R' Goldsteing and R' Nebenzel wrote the letter. It is addressed to R' Eliahu.

Laya Saul Brian Blair he abused the teacher student trust and had inappropriate relations with married women.

פינחס צבי נון My guess, without knowing the pertinent Halakhah, would be, if someone comitted adultery, in leau of being put to death by Beit Din, along with the women who sinned with him, ALONG WITH the women who SINNED with him, he should not be teaching a shred of anything to anyone!!!!

פינחס צבי נון That is the claim right? That he admitted to going to home plate together along with married women?

Yitzchak Michaelson He damaged marriages and destroyed families by targeting vulnerable women he was teaching. Teaching them it was a tikun and would bring Moshiach.

פינחס צבי נון Yitzchak Michaelson adultery or no?

פינחס צבי נון Yitzchak Michaelson oh that is highly objectionable. portraying the women involved as helpless exploited pawns. they destroyed their own marriages! lets stop giving bad behavior a pass, women can be as responsible as any man.

Yitzchak Michaelson

פינחס צבי נון Tell that to the women who were exploited by Scheinberg. Do you think they also were responsible for succumbing to a predator?

Yitzchak Michaelson There is a huge difference between adultery and someone who is a predator that targets women. Nothing objectionable about it.

פינחס צבי נון Yitzchak Michaelson YES. women are equal parties in adultery. Yes, do you wish to suggest they were not responsible for their actions!!!! You would then be suggesting women are stupid and helpless, and innocent! Which is frankly, insulting and obsurd!

Yitzchak Michaelson  פינחס צבי נון

 I am suggesting that there is a difference between what you suggest and someone who is respected that uses his position to target women. Not all adultery is the result of sexual predators. There is a difference. I am suggesting that someone who is a Rabbi that claims that women will help to make tikun and bring Moshiach if they sleep with him is not an adulterer he is a sexual predator.

Yitzchak Michaelson In your scenario, all of the victims of Scheinberg here in Tzat just decided one day to cheat on their husbands. It had nothing to do with receiving counsel that included relaxation techniques and inappropriate advances that allowed him to take advantage of women who were need of help.

Yitzchak Michaelson Do you think Scheinberg got 7 years in prison for adultery?

פינחס צבי נון Yitzchak Michaelson what a laugh. they have free will, made their choices.

Yitzchak Michaelson

פינחס צבי נון You are entitled to your opinion, and you obviously never dealt with a sexual predator.

פינחס צבי נון Do you suggest he got jail for rape! Nothing he did was rape in any Halakhic definition. No restrains, no force.

Yitzchak Michaelson Explain why he went to prison? Why did he make a plea deal? Why was he arrested trying to flee the country?  I never said anything about rape.

פינחס צבי נון No, you explain. Explain why he did, and the other invloved parties did not. Explain why you are ignoring Torah definition, and upholding post 60s secular humanistic ideology!

Yitzchak Michaelson

פינחס צבי נון Maybe you need a refresher course on Hilchot Talmud Torah. BTW as refreshing as it is to see another Jew answer a question with a question, take it for what's its worth.  Rabbi Nevenzahl and Goldstein would not issue something like this without cause. They were both involved when everything happened with this.  I follow the halakha, and the halakha was strictly handled in this case. Someone was placed in cherem and had his smicha removed. According to halakha, to change that a Beit Din is required.  The subject of this thread is not about the women involved, but someone who is trying to come to Tzfat and pick up as if nothing ever happened.  As I said, you are entitled to your opinion but I will go with the majority.  I think we have sufficiently beaten this horse.

פינחס צבי נון Yitzchak Michaelson totally related. ignoring the role of the women involved, passing it all off on the man as if men are all powerful and alone culpable, and women are powerless and scott free is repugnant. I think you simply are opting out of necessary discussion. Halakha is not opinion. In halakha a woman who is an aduleress, is culpable and held accountable for her actions, as she ought to be. there is no term predator in Torah, that is post 60s secular humanist malarky. I fully agree if he has admitted to adultery, or was witnessed participating in adultery by two witnesses, he should teach nothing to anyone ever agaun, and should live as if dead. Should wander the earth with ashes on his head begging. I will not be silent, when in a public forum the torch and pitch fork are reached for, and people are absolved of their actions, portrayed as helpless victims. These women, including the willing participants with the basar vedam slimeball Sheinberg, broke their own marriages, broke their own homes, are victims of their own folly, their own yetser harahs. If he is in jail, so should they be This, was not in any Halakhic Jewish Torah way rape, and you should review your own hashkafot, which are not in line with Torah, but foreign thought. These women, who all equally participated, should also be wandering the earth with ash on their heads, begging. And the non-Torah fools who say there there, you were avictim, deprive them of their rightful tikun, you do them a high diservice.

Yitzchak Michaelson BTW, one final comment. The abuser referred to in this post and the letter freely admits to being such and was supposedly under both Rabbinic and Psychological care and continued this behavior in the U.S. after leaving Israel. So, it is not like he is being accused of something that he does not freely admit to.

Yitzchak Michaelson If you want to disagree with me, I am all for that. However, leave the personal attacks of question my hashkafot and suggesting that I follow foreign thought rather than Torah. You are way out of line.  From the beginning of my involvement in my original post I brought nothing but halakhic sources on this.  If you want to vilify the women that is your decision, I am simply doing what I can to protect this community from someone who according to halakha is to be shunned rather than given the keys to the city.

Dvorah Chanah

פינחס צבי נון
Oy. The subject here is Bakst, not the women involved with Bakst, his ex (or exes??) or the children. That's another completely different issue, I'm sure filled with it's own tragedies and punishments. But you must agree, a teacher of Torah who targeted women is a special case, requiring a different set of considerations. Torah isn't cookie cutter justice.  You don't know the details about the women etc. Enough was posted here about THIS problem and what the rabbonim have paskened on it. So, either go with it or not.

Dvorah Chanah Thank you G-d for not making me a man. I'd never have the patience to be a posek.

Kol HaKavod Yitzchak. You have more endurance than I do.

פינחס צבי נון Dvorah Chanah not a different topic at all. I know some of the women went back, returned. Ira said he destroyed marriages, which is 100% true, by all parties involved.

פינחס צבי נון Yitzchak Michaelson you project on me. Vilify? Guilty according to Torah Law. To be put to death along with him, by the hands of Beit Din.

פינחס צבי נון In clearer words for those who need it, culpable for their actions.

Yitzchak Michaelson

פינחס צבי נון And yet the Beit Din involved ruled differently according to Torah law than you do. So, no projection here.

Yitzchak Michaelson Our Torah law is not static. Our Rabbis are able to interpret, not to change halakha but to allow for halakha to fit within modernity. There are numerous opinions on this subject from Rav Moshe Feinstein and other respected poskim when it comes to sexual harassment and sexual abuse.

Dvorah Chanah  פינחס צבי נון Not every person was raised in a stellar family situation. In this modern world we live in many women were seriously abused as children which makes them much more vulnerable as adults.  I don't know if that is the case here, but the women deserve more of a benefit of the doubt than a rabbi who teaches Torah to them. As R' Michaelson has stated, "...the halakha was strictly handled in this case. Someone was placed in cherem and had his smicha removed. According to halakha, to change that a Beit Din is required."  "The subject of this thread is not about the women involved, but someone who is trying to come to Tzfat and pick up as if nothing ever happened."  Thus you did change the subject.  Only the people who know ALL the details have a right to judge, and they have, per the original post.

Malkah Sorel Yitzchak Michaelson somethings are unchanged, reformim and messianics also reinterpret the Torah. Even today a mamzer is a mamzer however conceived. If Hashem deems a woman culpable to the extent that her child is cut off from Israel then it cannot be reinterpreted. Moreover, a married woman knows it is forbidden to go with another man. SHe only does so because of the taiva no matter the excuse and when you make her blameless you prevent her from making teshuva for giving in to her animal desire.

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel Actually the laws of Yichud relate to man not being alone with a woman. BTW, Scheinberg's wife actually knew what was going on and said nothing.  The halakha is on the man not to put himself in that place according to Kiddushin, Sanhedrin, Megillah, and all the other places that the Talmud deals with this.  There was also a Beit Din in which Rav Eliyahu sat and he called what was done evil and did not consider the women to be culpable. I think I will go with the opinions of the Taanaim and the Rishonim as well as the Chacham over your position.

Malkah Sorel I don't know who scheinberg is. I am talking about concepts

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel Ezra Scheinberg was a respected Kabbalistic Rav in Tzfat that did the same thing as Baskt. He is now sitting in prison for 7 years after making a plea deal, and after having been caught trying to flee the country at Ben Gurion.

Yitzchak Michaelson I am talking Halakha, and not concepts

Malkah Sorel What I am saying is that a child conceived in such a situation would be cut off even today. And according to Torah law, the woman would be stoned to death. I am not excusing the man just saying a woman must be given the right to make teshuva

Malkah Sorel Yitzchak Michaelson I am talking halachic concepts

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel These decisions were made by Batei Dinim

Malkah Sorel It seems to be worse abuse when a woman is denied teshuva, It is a win, win for the man. He got his wicked way and he gets olam haba. While the woman gets to roast

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel Who is denying any woman tshuva. From the beginning this issue has been about the man, and some of you have chosen to include the women in the discussion.  I don't deny that there are deep issues that need to be dealt with when discussing those who were involved. However, that is not what this thread was meant to sort out.  I would be happy to discuss that if you want to make a separate thread related to it. I have read and continue to read many of the opinions of poskim related to what and what is not considered rape or what is or what is not considered sexual abuse.  Keep in mind that our halakha and Torah is not static. It has always been subject not to change, but allowances for modernity..

Geneva Bautina Yitzchak Michaelson If you remember, with my college degree, I had to study sexual predators more than I wanted to. If I took away everything involving Judaism with this conversation, it clearly saysz sexual predator. The grooming alone is how these predators think.  We are Jews dammit! Not some crazy E freak or Xtian cult that practices this or what their congregation is known for.  Ira, this is very upsetting to read this man's response to this. What you have done with this letter we can all only thank you were the perfect vessel to do so.

Malkah Sorel non static Torah is what reform and messianics hark on about. They also have beis din.

Geneva Bautina   ינחס צבי נון your entire comment is trash. What if this happened to someone you care about and you can tell them "well you see, you had free will"

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel You must not know anything about Oral Torah if you don't recognize that our Torah is not static. The fact that there are crazy streams and fringe groups hark on about has nothing to do with the truth of our Torah.

Yitzchak Michaelson And since messianics and reform are not Jew-ish according to Torah, what they have or don't have is irrelevant

Dvorah Chanah Yitzchak Michaelson Yyyesss!! Well said, as usual R' Michaelson....

Malkah Sorel Yitzchak Michaelson Many reform are Jewish according to halacha, so are many messianics. They are either born into it or attracted to it just because they like the whole morphing of the Torah thing. You may say they are not practicing Judaism but who is today apart from the Haredim? Regarding my knowledge about the oral Torah, since we have never discussed it, you don't know what the depth of my knowledge is. It cannot be assumed that as a woman I am not knowledgable, nor can it be assumed that because I don't have smicha I am ignorant. There are many rabbis these days with smicha who get their smicha from doing a year's course on the internet. Or even there are yeshivas which give smicha after a year. I know because I know someone who got one. Regarding the reform and messianics, they are often good people who are misguided. And it takes many years of teshuva and striving for good midos to repent of the sins caused by falling in this way. But of course with humility and teshuva a person can correct himself even from the sins committed from following those versions of the Torah.

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel If you look at what I wrote, it was Jew-ish. Meaning that one can be a Jew according to halakha and still not be Jew-ish. Meaning they are not accepted within the community.

Yitzchak Michaelson My comment about your knowledge is based on the fact that all of Chazal and every Rabbi I know will tell you that the Torah is not static, and yet you compare it to Reform and Messianic. This is a basic knowledge and the fact that you disagree with it and compare it tells me that you don't have a basic understanding as to how Torah is viewed.

Malkah Sorel Yitzchak Michaelson I have an understanding and know what you mean but that is still the foundation of reform and messianic.

Daniel Bendelman It's a disgusting disgrace to have to read some of these comments. Rov Yitzchak has done important and holy work here, the FACT is that Rabbis greater than yourselves have ruled. The FACT is that the Beis Din has ruled. If you disagree that's a massive problem, we go by Halacha. We go by our Rabbis. There is no room for subjective opinions here. If you can't have the humility to abide by the Halachic rulings of the Beis Din etc then you don't have the humility to be a vessel for The Torah. I suggest doing an accounting of the soul, as is advised in Path of The Just and learning Orchos Tzaddikim to get that much needed humility and then doing teshuva. Because this is totally abhorrent. Not to even mention these attacks on the Rov. Total chillul Hashem and you should be ashamed.

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel Big surprise that messies and reform have their foundation stolen from Orthodox Judaism. Everything starts with Kosher Orthodox Judaism. Everything else is suspect.

Charlene Turner Smith Seems like folks want to shoot the messenger here. Why would anyone in their right mind allow someone, regardless of professed repentance, come back to do the very same teaching that got them into trouble in the first place??? A man seduces you’re wife so you let him back into your house while you go to work????  I’m standing with Rabbi Michaelson on this one.

Malkah Sorel we are not xtians so we believe in teshuva,. But that is not so relevant seeing as none of the people spreading this lashon hara has asked him what he intends to teach. I have asked him and he does not intend to teach individuals. He is giving classes go groups. I listened to his shiur this week and his Torah is high. Very respectable Rabbis in the Torah world have told me his Torah is kosher.

Yitzchak Michaelson Nobody questions his brilliance or ability to give over Torah. However, the Rabbonim involved has concerns about any group that includes women.  Tshuva as you know "bein adam lechaveiro" is not afforded to anyone that has not repaired the damage to individuals they sinned against. So, it is subjective.  Someone merely claiming that they made tshuva is worthless when the people who are driving this latest move are victims who don't believe tshuva was made, They are the only ones along with the involved Rabbis that make a difference according to halakha as to whether or not someone made proper tshuva.

Shawn Kanan Charlene Turner Smith because it isn’t the same teachings....

Shawn Kanan This whole situation saddens me but in repairing damage as you have pointed out one needs to repair the damages done to others so would this include a teacher bringing Jews to Christianity then later realizing doing so was a mistake and became orthodox again? So is there Repentance only gained when they bring everyone back they caused to go into idol worship? This seems like an impossible task yet couldn’t someone truly be repentant in this type of situation?

Dvorah Chanah Malkah Sorel Are you saying the letter from R' Goldstein and R' Nebenzel is lashon hara? You would defer to Bakst over these two rabbonim??

Dvorah Chanah Shawn Kanan From what I understand, there are difference processes for teshuva depending on different variables.  Bakst was a Torah teacher who used his position of authority to target women. He lost his smicha, and was put in cherem. In order for him to complete the teshuva process, his case must be decided by a beit din. It hasn't. He's attempting to go on as if nothing happened.  Thus, the two situations/cases are not comparable.

Shawn Kanan Dvorah Chanah no I just feel bad for people who do try to move on from the past and can’t. I don’t know the entire situation and just like I told Ira privately I meant no ill will. I have an alcoholic past in which I have much guilt and I feel for people who have moved on yet others don’t let go of what you did in the past. I realize being a “sexual predator” is different but I am a living example of change. Many people actually find the Light of the Creator and it changes them like it did me. I am not the alcoholic or fool I once was but either way probably wasn’t even my place to say anything and I ultimately would agree with the Rabbonim I just hope they have the entire story as I have seen false representation can really hurt a person.

Dvorah Chanah Shawn Kanan The matter was taken under consideration with great care and sensitivity. The rabbonim wouldn't have issued the warning and sent it on to R' Eliahu if it wasn't an ongoing and serious situation. My understanding is, this is much different than a weakness someone has had, and they want to move on. The people spearheading the effort to warn the community are taking no pleasure in it whatsoever, and are paying a price for taking it on.

Shmuli Bernhaut Malkah Sorel you need your examined

Malkah Sorel Anyway. I have said what needs to be said. I wish you well Ira that you should always come closer to the truth and to the Ribono shel olam.

Yitzchak Michaelson You as well. Shabbat Shalom

Moshe Shulman I have read some of his books. I was not aware of this

Gloria Culver Moshe Shulman I understand he has appeared before a beit din and was restored???? This original incidents were how many years ago???

Malkah Sorel Gloria Culver correct

D'vorah Hoffman Gloria Culver no—not true.

Malkah Sorel Gloria Culver contact Rabbi Bakst and ask him. I did, no one spreading this lashon hara has contacted him to find out the truth.

Dvorah Chanah Malkah Sorel Read below....kabbalah is to be taught to women by a rebbetzin.

Yitzchak Michaelson Malkah Sorel The people and Rabbis that were involved know the truth. By suggesting otherwise you are claiming that Rav Nevenzahl and Rav Goldstein are lying and so are the victims. You would have the only guilty person believed over Talmidei Chachamim and victims.

Ron Bloom Rachelle Kaufman

Yehuda Millen Ira-please get in touch with me as soon as possible via email and/or send me your direct phone contact, so we can speak. Important!! Ymillen@yahoo.com. I hope to make Aliyah before Pesach! Thank you -Yehuda. חג פורים שמח

Yehuda Millen Even if everything that this rabbi taught is correct. (Which I doubt, since there are many things that קבלה teaches, yet we don't parked like) it is morally reprehensible for any man/rabbi to engage in these subjects with other women. They need to be taught by a rebbetsen. The Talmud elaborates on this.......no exception to that rule

Tzadik Vanderhoof What is "relations according to kaballa"?

Yitzchak Michaelson The Zohar focuses on the spiritual union that can be achieved in a marriage and how this can elevate the consciousness of the couple. It is all about intimacy, rather than the act itself.

11.7. Who is David Katz

I didn't realize I had this from Rabbi Hollander.  When I read it I laughed so hard I almost choked.  It literally obliterates everything Ger Kirk and Ger Mattlage have said about Rav Yoel Schwartz and the Ger Toshav.

Rabbosai –  

Rabbi Katz held his annual “ger” conference this past weekend here in Texas.  I have access to the recordings of the lectures.   Of note – he states several times that there is no prohibition on ger/noahide and Jews marrying other than “the prohibition that the Rabbis made up” and that when the Yovel was in force, “Jews and Noahides freely intermarried.”

See also this post: https://palmtreeofdeborah.blogspot.com/2016/08/did-rabbi-meir-kahane-really-get-ger.html

I will send a link to the referenced lecture before Shabbos, B”n.

On another note – I received a call from someone claiming to be Rav Zalman Nehemia Goldberg who warned me that Katz was “among the gadolei hador and tsaddikim ha-amitiyim” and that I would lose my olam haba if I continued to oppose him.   I responded in Yiddish, to which the caller claimed that he only spoke Hebrew and English.    The problem is that I have met Rav Goldberg, and he ONLY speaks Hebrew and Yiddish.  Also, this was clearly not his voice on the phone.  Rabbi Mogilevsky in Chicago got a similar call and also knew that this was not Rabbi Goldberg. 

I have spoken to several Gadolim, including Rav Kanievsky and Rav Shternbuch about this.  They all agree that what Katz is teaching is dangerous and incorrect.   Rav Kanievsky said that his claim that Noahides or ger toshav is the “fourth congregation” mentioned in Sifrei is practically kefira, because not only is that statement rejected by the gemara, but to claim such is to tinker with the laws of marriage and the kedusha of Yisroel.  

The problem is that I have found no one who is willing to condemn him publicly.  The attitude I have encountered is “this matter only affects non-Jews, so why even get involved?”

At this point, I think that the best course is to ask Rabbi Weiner to approach Rav Zalman Nehemia Goldberg.  Rav Goldberg gave Katz semikhah, and Katz claims that Rav ZNG supports him unconditionally.   Rav Goldberg was also an advisor on the Divine Code, which Katz has attacked repeatedly, and someone posing as Rabbi Goldberg is calling people claiming that Katz is a tsaddik and gaon. 

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Shalom to all,

Below is the link to the I Get Ger pages transcript of Clorfene’s speech at the “ger” conference in Texas this past weekend. 

It is important to read it before it gets taken down, because it is a peek behind the curtain of what they are teaching.   Clorfene and Katz have both been accused of telling non-Jews that they can keep Shabbos and additional mitzvos, learn kabbalo, etc.   They have denied it time and time again.  However, ex-followers of theirs have told me that this is EXACTLY what they teach, but that they tell their followers that the rest of the Jewish world “is not ready to know this.”  In this speech, Clorfene admits to what they teach: that it is mutar for a non-Jew to keep Shabbos, etc. 

This alone is enough to posul the movement. 

He also demonizes Chabad and virtually every other noahide organization.

See article HERE

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11.8. Who is David Katz II

I could not help myself after having been in the Messianic's camp for several years before finding HaShem's truth.  When I read David Katz's comments using "Hebrew roots" and "Grafted" I was reminded of those times because his comments are exactly what we would say.

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Menachem Mendel Schneerson OBM was the third Rebbe of the Chabad Lubavitch.  Neither Russell, Mike or David Katz offer any evidence of this.  They think that just saying it makes it true.  For many in the Ger Gang whatever Mike and Russell say is the "gospel" and therefore is true.  Try calling a Chabad Rabbi and explain the Ger Gang position on Ger and ask them if the Rebbe believed in this.  They will either say never, laugh at you or just hang up on you.  Maybe all the above.

11.9. Who is David Katz III

David Katz is the one profaning HaShem and His Torah.  He has no idea of the laws of speech.  In the next section you will see how he violates the simplest of the laws that caused the destruction of Mankind. 

David Katz makes some of the most absurd comments here.  It is amazing to me how little regard he had for Artscroll.  Any basic level Torah student knows that Artscroll is not a primary source and Artscroll has never claimed to be.  However, they do use many primary sources in their commentary.  In their Chumash and Tanach they do print the Hebrew.  This is just an exercise in his need for self importance and drawing attention to himself.  The entire piece is ridiculous.  But, it makes great fodder for the simple minded.

11.10. Who is David Katz IV

I conducted my own seach on the GuideStar and IRS and found nothing.  Katz and company are no more a 501(c)3 than I am Bugs Bunny.  If David Katz has no problem misleading people on something like this how much more so will he mislead you to believe in his Ger agenda?  And, what about his "authorized" instructor’s Russell Kirk and Mike Mattlage?  Taking people's money under false pretenses is theft, the reason that Mankind was destroyed.  This is an absolute disgrace!  Though the IRS does not accept complaints against a non-501(c)3 organization you can file a criminal complaint against the owner and any subordinate's who knew of the fraud.  You can also file a civil action against the perpetrator(s).  You may also want to file both but be advised that the criminal case takes precedence over the civil case.  It is also possible for a class action suit by all those who made donations to this man.  I highly recommend contacting the District Attorney's office in your state and/or an attorney for legal advice.

David, Russell and Mike all earn 5 Pinocchio’s on this one.

Here is what an actual 501(c)3 organization looks like when you do a search.

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This is what a fake 501(c)3 looks like.

11.11. Who is Chaim Clorfene

https://bonarhistory.wordpress.com/brin/chiam-clorfene/

The Bonar Family History Site

Richard Clorfene / Chiam Noach Clorfene’s Great Adventure

Richard Chiam Clorfene

Richard Clorfene / Chaim Noach Clorfene has led a colorful life: from ‘Hippie’ to ‘Chabadnik’. His latest book, The Path of the Righteous Gentile is a major turnaround from his first publication, A Child’s Garden of Grass (as in marijuana) a hilarious comedic overview which he co-authored with Jack Margolis in 1969. An additional work, Confessions of a Jewish Cultbuster was co-authored with Shea Hecht. Chaim now lives in Israel and is a promoter of the religious ethical system known as Noahide which supports the building of a ‘Third Temple’ in Jerusalem.

In a 1999 interview for FFPlaza.com, Richard Clorfene’s colleague Peter B. Lewis, recounted Richard’s early days:

“As I recall, Richard Clorfene, was fresh from being head creative writer/producer at Mel Blanc & Assoc. in LA where he created Super Fun, a brilliant series of radio comedies that was syndicated to many ‘pop’ stations in the mid-late 60’s. Clorfene usually worked with my recording-engineer mentor, Rich Petersen in NYC; and when Clorfene moved from LA to NYC, he had too much work for Rich to do, so he came to me with a radio drama pilot for a series called Tales of the Energy. We produced the coolest hour-long deal ever, really. It was great! Went nowhere. We played it for several radio advertising and programming people and it was exciting but eminently unfruitful. Never even got as far as being a ‘turntable hit’ — just a great tape that only probably 200 people ever heard! Incidentally, the editor at Cream Magazine heard it at the studio one evening and laughed his head off. He subsequently paid for several hour-long sessions to play it for his friends.

Richard was really into Silver Surfer and wanted to do it as a radio series. He had experienced the Silver Surfer cult in Southern California and knew it would be popular with them. We talked about it (and millions of other possibilities) through the production of the pilot.

Another part of my day gig was working at 21st Century Communications, producers of the National Lampoon Radio Hour. Remember that? It’s really the precursor to Saturday Night Live. I worked on some bits of the show, but mostly I worked on the other stuff they were developing, such as editing the Mary Travis Show, interviews with Bob Dylan, etc. I got to hang out with the cast and crew of the Lampoon, and got to know the guy who put together the group of stations on which Nat’l Lampoon Radio Hour was distributed, Bob Michaelson. Since the Lampoon show was kinda winding down, Bob thought the Marvel show would be a good product to cycle into his network of stations.

Clorfene was nowhere to be found. After we finished Tales of the Energy, Richard went back to LA and I couldn’t reach him as things started coming together. In fact, we’ve only spoken a couple times since, and now not in decades, I guess. He’s in Israel, last I heard, a Rabbi. Religion was a very big deal to him when we did the pilot. He wrote an inspired book, The Book of Hype. This was just before we did the pilot. There are 4000 copies of that book somewhere and I’d love to have one now. I was quite affected by the book’s content and the whole experience of being around a person who is being inspired. He had no interest in doing the Fantastic Four and said he’d do the Silver Surfer when it came time. “Good luck, Peter,” he said, and that was it.”

The front cover of Jeff Bonar’s prized copy of Richard Clorfene’s hilarious best-seller, which Richard co-authored with Jack Margolis in 1969.

11.12. Who is Chaim Clorfene II

https://bonarhistory.wordpress.com/brin/chiam-clorfene/

11.13. Who is Chaim Clorfene III

11.14. Chaim Clorfene Attacked by His Own Student

Ger Leader Mike Mattlage attacks his own teacher.

Here is an apology to one of the Rabbi's he publicly insulted.

12. Rav Yoel Schwartz Publicly Revokes David Katz's Approbation

David Katz apparently fabricated a story to convince Rav Schwartz that what he was doing was righteous.  Here is the end result of that little fiasco.

Russell just can't control himself.                                       

The approbation David Katz received from Rav Schwartz was obtained under false pretenses.

After Rav Schwartz figured out that he had been completely mislead he sent this out to the public.

Notice that Rav Schwartz says "All that R. David Katz is doing...."

13. The Love Affair is Over- Mattlage vs Katz

It is so funny to hear make talk about how many rabbi's Noahide Nations has gone through especially when the exact opposite is true.  Then I hear him welcoming David Katz into the Shalom 70 FB group.  I don't know if David Katz re-joined them or not.  Don't really care either way.  They are both cut from the same cloth.  I really wonder if either of these men experience shame or remorse, even a little, for what they have done to people and organizations???  From the looks of it so far, I think not!

I have David Katz's response to this but it just makes me sick to try and ingest all this bilge water.  Maybe I'll put it up later but now it's time to move on.

14. Mike Mattlage Teshuvah Video That Isn't

If you have made it to this point in the book I commend you and thank you for your time.  This video is simply proof that Mike Mattlage, clearly, does not know the laws of teshuvah, let alone actually do it.  I don't believe Mike really knows that much about actual Noahide halacha.  You have seen a seemly endless stream of Torah violations on his part along with his partner Russell, their teacher David Katz and the majority of their Ger Gang.  What is strange is they now want peace after having started the war.  It's a cheap trick and I don't mean the band.  Mike is just grandstanding and trying to draw attention himself and his false religion.

See Mike's teshuvah attempt.

14.1. Ger Gang's Version of Peace

After Mike and Russell started their peace offensive I gave it a few days and pulled these off their NEW Shalom 70 Facebook page.  See below for their version of peace.  Is this what you would consider peace?  Can you think of a reason why I or anyone would join the Ger Gang?  I don't know if they are still up on the  Shalom 70 site or not and honestly don't really care.

14.2. Mike's "We're Getting a Great Response" Statement

Mike Mattlage claims that they are getting a great response to their peace proposal of joining them and all will be well.  I wish I could share the email responses that Mike and Russell are getting because Jews and true Noahides understand the laws of loshon hara and slander are.   Mike and Russell even claimed that I joined their group which of course is a work of fiction.  I wouldn't join this group if it was the only group on Facebook.  If you have made it this far you have seen what this Ger Gang has done to me, my wife and Noahide Nations and many of our friends you will quickly realize that it was a fabrication.  Here is what took place.  They tried to say that I joined their gang and then left. That's ridiculous and a flat out lie.  Here is some of what took place.

I did not include everything that has come into me because there is just to much, but I think you get the general feeling from these people how they really feel no matter what Mike and Russell have to say.  Finally, I have removed the names of the people who sent me these emails as I refuse to make them target's of such nasty people.

Here are some of the responses to Mike and Russell's fake peace initiative.  Many of these are from the very same people Mike named in the video's.  This is what they really feel about the Ger Gang.

Dear Ray,

Mike really believes that his "sincerity" is going to heal all the damage he has done and is still doing.

I don't want to have any contact with these people. It literally sickens me to listen to his pompous ego.

No, this is not teshuvah. It is rather pompous ego. There is nothing to rejoice about here. 

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Russell,

I'm glad to be on good terms with you (call it a meeting of hearts), but I don't see very much likelihood of a meeting of minds yet. There are just too many issues standing between us. Issues about what Judaism is, what Rabbinical authority is, what being an Orthodox Rabbi entails.

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Shalom Ray!

You can rest assured that I support you in this controversy. You probably recall that I didn't sign on to the letter that the group of Rabbis released (I'm not a Rabbi), but I posted a separate letter from Rabbi Moshe Weiner about David Katz and Chaim Clorfene.

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Hello Ray,

Thanks be to HaShem that I was only just out of Xtianty not even a few months and that was about three years ago when I myself stumbled across these guys. I was not even in their group for more than three months when it just did not feel right so I left their FB group. Something smelt off and this guy called Katz who I believe started this whole GER thing just did not look like the real deal.  I searched and searched and then discovered you. Best decision I ever made. Sadly, some will find out much later but hopefully soon with your stand, things will be more out in the open and action will be taken....whatever that action might be.  It is both terrible and sad what they are doing as many who are trying to come of Xtianity are being taken for another false ride and they don't even know it. 

Thank you Ray.

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15. False Ger Toshav Status by Ger Leaders

I'm starting this off with an email from Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander specifically regarding the question on Ger Toshav status asked to Rav Yoel Schwartz.  Rav Schwartz is very highly regarded within the Rabbinic community and highly regarded by the Ger Gang, unless he doesn't agree with him.

I have sent an email to the Noahide World Center for a determination of their position on Ger Toshav.  Their "Noahide Declaration" does not include the term "Ger Toshav" but this does not stop the Ger Gang who are leading people to believe that as a result of receiving the declaration they are now Ger Toshav.  Their deception is a fraud.  Those who learn their Torah from Mike Mattlage and Russell Kirk are not learning Torah at all.  It's a simple case of the blind leading the more blind.  I will be sending this video and more on the Ger Gang to as many Rabbis as I can so if they have an encounter with one of these individuals they know where their version of Torah comes from.

This video is a glowing example of what happens when you do not have qualified Torah teachers.

On page 5, I highlighted Russell Kirk's statement that these certificates are his and his wife's Ger Toshav certificates.  This is a HUGE fabrication.  They received these certificates at our 2008 Noahide Nations World Conference in FT. Lauderdale, FL..  The term "Ger Toshav" does not appear anywhere on these certificates nor was the term ever mentioned by anyone, including Russell and Teresa.  But, now that it helps push their agenda, they are making this false claim.  For the record these are NOT Ger Toshav certificates.   

I will no longer sit back and allow Russell, Mike or anyone else in the "Ger Gang" to misrepresent anything regarding Noahide Nations and all those involved with Noahide Nations.  I will respond to every fabrication published by anyone from here on out.

I will be contacting two of the three signatories on Russell and Teresa's certificate to see if I have their agreement to revoke their certificates along with anyone else making this "Ger Toshav" claim regarding the certificates from the Noahide Nations conference.

15.1. Rabbi Chaim Richman Clarifies Noahide Pledge That He Wrote in 2008

Rabbi Chaim Richman

Shalom to All,

I was asked to help clarify a misunderstanding that is the result of several recent postings on social media.

1). The State of Israel currently does not recognize any ‘Ger Toshav’ status and makes no accommodation or privilege to anyone claiming this status. Any claims to the contrary are false.

2). No legitimate beit din that I am aware of in the State of Israel grants ‘Ger Toshav’ status based on a declaration made in front of the beit din.

The ‘Noahide Declaration’ which many upright Noahides have declared in the presence of a beit din, in recent years, grants the status of ‘Righteous Gentile’ (chasid u’mot ha’olam) to the individual. This is an important step in serving Hashem because it introduces a new spiritual level to the individual which is accomplished through the public declaration of the individual’s commitment to Hashem and public declaration of acceptance and intent to uphold the Seven Universal Laws. Halachic sources explain that through this declaration, the individual becomes as one who has been commanded by Hashem to uphold these laws, and thus his/her spiritual reward is greater, commensurate to the new spiritual level of opposition that will also be faced. However, this declaration has no connection to ‘Ger Toshav’ status and does not render such status according to halacha. Such was never intended or implied.

3). Thus, the language of the original declaration as it was presented and upheld by many participants at the Noahide Nations Conference in Florida in 2008, which I personally wrote based on the requirements of Maimonides and other authorities, reads:

I agree to uphold the Seven Universal Noahide Laws, which were given by G-d to Noah as a binding set of laws for all humankind And were revealed by Moshe. Details & observance of these laws have preserved, clarified, and expounded upon by the sages of Israel from generation to generation.

The Seven Basic Noahide Laws: The Prohibition Against Idolatry* in all Forms, The Prohibition Against Blasphemy,The Prohibition Against Murder, The Prohibition Against Theft, The Prohibition Against Sexual Immorality, The Prohibition Against Eating the Limb of a Living Animal, The Commandment to Establish Courts of Justice

Adherence to these Laws professed out of an understanding that they were initially commanded to all humanity, and subsequently are a manifestation of the Sinai Revelation, and bequeathed to all humankind through the Torah of Moshe grants a non-Jew the status of Righteous Gentile.

(It’s best to read this part aloud)

“I pledge my allegiance to HaShem, G-d of Israel, Creator and King of the Universe, and His Torah. I will adhere to the Seven Laws of Noah, and I furthermore pledge to continue to uphold these laws in all their details, according to the Oral Law of Moshe under the guidance of the rabbis.
Blessed are You G-d, King of the universe, Who has caused me to live, sustained me, and brought me to this day.”

This is the exact language of the declaration which can be found online at the website of Brit Olam, the Noahide World Center, and can be used as a self-declaration until appearance before a beit din can be arranged. See the declaration at https://noahideworldcenter.org/7/a-temporary-noahide-self-declaration/  Note that no mention is made of the ‘Ger Toshav’ status.

4). Any changes that were made to this version of the declaration, that may be in use by any individual or beit din, in Israel, the USA, or elsewhere, were made without permission or consultation with the author. This declaration was not intended to confer, refer to, or in any way imply the status of ‘Ger Toshav,’ and any implication of such is an incorrect use.

5). Recent social media postings have referred to the declaration that was administered to many participants at the 2008 Noahide Nations Conference and signed by myself and other rabbis as a ‘Ger Toshav certificate’ and a Facebook posting stated that I signed a ‘Ger Toshav Certificate.’ This is false. ‘Ger Toshav’ status was never alluded to or implied in our employment of this declaration in 2008 and to refer to it in this manner is inaccurate and misleading. 

With love, and with blessings to all – may we merit to grow ever stronger in the service of Hashem,

Rabbi Chaim Richman

Jerusalem

18 Sivan 5780 – June 10, 2020

16. Who is Noahide Nations?

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17. Who is Ray Pettersen the Founder of Noahide Nations?

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